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Dana
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Posted: March 17, 2009 5:37 AM |
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This new article in an Indian Press claims a group of three new Bacteria types are found during a high altitude balloon flight sample gathering, and the claim by the reported researcher is that the items are not from Earth, or not yet found on Earth.
Can this type of discovery happen at such regular frequency in India, and carry the weight of science fact?
We see many claims of 'Red Rain' which reported as 'not from Earth'. The subjects always fall to the back page of non-Indian journals and newspapers within days or weeks. I couldn't even find a single Google referenced to 'Red Rains of Kerala' a couple months past. The same basic story, with a sensational subject, and the plug is pulled on the source, with the new 'discovery' simply draining away.
Does anyone have information on this topic of 'new bacteria' types found in India?
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MPJ
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Posted: March 17, 2009 9:12 AM |
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There is a Wiki-Article about this topic which is very interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_rain_in_Kerala
the proposed absence of dna (which is not yet confirmed)hints to an alien origin of the cells also they are very restistant to extreme environmental conditions! |
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Kevin 
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Posted: March 17, 2009 9:58 AM |
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I also seem to remember reading that some U.S. high altitude flights detected strange bacteria at high altitudes in the stratosphere, years ago. It metioned that these things are only found "up there".
Google using this,
high altitude bacteria
Lots of stuff. |
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Dana 
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Posted: March 17, 2009 3:50 PM |
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Without time today, and no links for you, I remember the suggestion that rains are often stimulated by nucleating virus or bacterial sized organic 'swarm' clouds as they travel through the atmosphere.
It would certainly increase the possibilities for environmental survival niches in alien locations, as well as on Earth.
The lack of carry-through in the actual research seems worthy of study, as the content should be a worthwhile subject of professional work by many, not just Indian researchers.
I just commented on a AOL news item about a man's recovery from paraplegia conditions as a result of a Brown Recluse spider bite.
The indirect relationship to this subject is only that I read so many comments(hundreds in a few days) online, and most all were of persons who had no ideas of any technical content or nature. The world is swamped with under-educated and non-technical persons in numbers who are a source of extreme noise levels. I was able to tell people about using chlorine bleach/water as a poultice to eliminate the extreme pain, and eliminate the tissue rigidity resulting from a Recluse bite, prior to them seeing a doctor, which is very necessary. Apparently no one has discovered the symptom alleviation process, despite the basic chemistry knowledge by doctors in the toxin study of this insect. The technique is NOT doctoral approved, but has worked in several occasions where I had bites from the Brown Recluse. Much inflammation interaction is alkaline in content, regardless of the toxins interaction with bleach. Allergy/toxin reactions can kill a person, or nearly do so. Chlorine is also irritating to toxic.
We all run in circles making terrible noise in such large number, but the solutions are often to be found, or techniques for treatments, hidden by the noise level, with the information filtering running against good judgement.
I hope we can find some later information about these atmospheric biology types if they are really a local, or more probably, worldwide phenomenon.
Clearly we are looking on Mars at processes which are not visible for various reasons. Cameras show effects, but not the actual interactions. |
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MPJ
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Dana 
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Posted: March 18, 2009 1:53 PM |
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Pleased to see more good links again. I reread the reports of the Red Rain process, and it reminds me of how much can slip from a persons memory in a part of a years time. Many specifics did not stick in my thoughts about these unidentified objects.
These reports were full of details.
At the time the reports were released I often wondered how the unprotected open air crematorial practices were affecting the atmosphere, but surely it has no possible connection with the airborne fully functional 'cell' type objects claimed to be airlifted or, formed in the air, from the unknown sources.
The local similar alga and other bio type items which make a match are apparently partly involved, but is this a standard primary airborne process which can be considered as almost exclusively requiring a air transport for functionality? It appears to me it is, and that is common in the reproduction of plants and other biology on Earth.
The U.S. disappearance of vast percentages of bees which aid in the less effective airborne transfer of spore-like aspects of living objects has us noticing the importance of air transfer in reproduction, and population movement.
A subject for a Mars mission, similar to the Phoenix attempt to find airborne particles may be a good project for missions.
I'll read your new link tomorrow. I have read about the many brighter small domains in the satellite photos- that may be the subject. Alteration at local domains where mineralogy has been changed by local events/forces.
I noticed in the HiRISE anaglyphs newest releases, some of the polar 'fans' from gas airlifting and claimed dust accompaniment causing the dark spreading shapes, there are new 3D views of the ways in which material is airlifted on Mars. The study of the diffusion/directional force/wind-drift should help to resolve why the MER rovers finds such a heavy well organized covering of soil items with what appears to be air-lofted and transported threading of small particles. The electrostatic and similar forces could elevate the material from the immediate vicinity of the rovers, but it seems probable that the material is transported, short or even great, distances before being attached to the precarious outer surfaces of the soil particles. The attachment process, which is apparently stable over time, leading to formations, and possibly being related to the common 'string-of-bead' formation at the soil surface, is a easy target for study by future rovers. Separating mineral formation 'bead-strings' from any other active types will be a long term study. I've never really seen any 'bead-strings' in Earth mineral samples, and none were brought to this blog in the past.
I'll do some of the named searches suggested for more background information.
Perhaps the new report from India of new bacterial types will bring some light on the general processes of air carried biology, some of which may be possibly air-borne for a large part of the life cycle of the item type.
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John
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Posted: March 19, 2009 2:12 AM |
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Dana, interesting indeed,"crematorial practices". I've been in the "O.R." several times observing surgeries. When a "bovie" is used (cuts and cauterizes), the smoke rises and penetrates surgical masks. Later it was found, doctors and other O.R. employees were getting herpes in thier respiratory tracts. Seems that steam comes with the smoke and at the periphery of the surgical site, viruses were surviving, not have being heated enough to destroy them. Think of a laminated thermal column. |
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Dana 
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Posted: March 19, 2009 6:34 AM |
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Yes, it seems viral movement through the air is rapid and far reaching, traveling world-wide in the more stable and tolerant of virus types. The idea that we are still beginning to find the basic science on Earth should be a good rule for approaching Mars information and possible biology. We have far to travel before we can deny the existence of any bio or mineral uniqueness on Mars.
I never wanted to commit to either a demand for biology on Mars, nor a denial, but the subject is an open door these days. We may have a confirmed answer by the end of this century, but I am sure not before that can we issue any denial of life on Mars throughout it's history.
With the tiny sizes of prion type biology, we will have a real challenge in denying an even smaller Mara alternative, or even a far less organic content qualifying type of replicating item with some mobility capability.
As my time is usually short, much of my searching is a 'mixed bag' of content.
Here is a side angle topic I passed when expanding Kevin's suggested "high altitude bacteria". I tried 'high altitude alga', in Google, and came up with a general use of Earth alga as a new fuel for gas substitution. We are seeking a Mars item for fuel and food, and this is a item type I have found in tiny portions of MER rover MI's when enlarged. I have no idea if my scenes of object looking like algae are the real item, but the same shapes are a sure sign that small items need detailed coverage in the search for life on Mars, and shows the real need for a testing facility for life sustenance in the simulation of the Martian environment here on Earth. Use of a common simple life type for both fuel and food would be fortuitous and perhaps economical.
If we are to establish a landing presence there, we will need to do the advance work for the processes. We also need to explain the presence of detailed similar objects on both planets.
A link to alga as a fuel, lofted by the airliner industry, into the air.
Algae are found in Antarctica and Greenland ice fields blooming in the ice in swarms. They did not get there by slow moving animal transport. They survive the winter bad weather apparently, but the long term survival in the worst weather over years of time, may not be a proven capability. |
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Dana 
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Posted: March 19, 2009 7:13 AM |
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link for the claimed identified alga relate to lichen symbiont developmental activity, which is stated as part of the Kerala or local India Red Rain occurrences.
Trentepohlia, from Wikipedia page listed in the former reports and the Wikipedia article about Red Rain, which MPJ offered in the reply above.
This newest report in my topic seems to be about bacterial objects, but the Red Rain appears identical to the detailed internal shapes of bacterial spores. I've lost a very good image in my links listings which shows the identical cell wall and internal sub-parts of bacterial spores which is in appearance very close to alga and the alga spores in Red Rain.
Possibly a multiple number of source items are present in Red Rain over the years.
As the newest additions to the India air borne biology are stated as bacterial and unique, we certainly should approach Mars as an open book as yet not written.
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