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John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: November 26, 2011 11:12 AM 

Curiosity has left Earth,,,reaching for Mars.
Happy Landings,,
Godspeed Curiosity

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: November 26, 2011 11:38 AM 

You have no-idea what the public wants,,,the mind of a 14 to 16 year old is a precious thing.
,,,,,,none of us are mind-readers,,so the NASA / ESA Outreach to schools.Oh Yea of little faith,,give
it time,,we have an inventory of brilliant i hope,young,already intelligent ,more than we were.
There are schools for the gifted,,careful there Dana,
There is much advertised the opposite way,,,,good news rarely makes it to the media,,,I was exceptionally sick,last nite,,,but his morning is fresh and I am well...I saw Curiosity lift off....

Please don't take this as a personal attack,,,your posts of this year have been highly commented on.You are a respected member,,,,I ,,on the other
hand,never went to college,,High school 10th grade,,,,,so everything I know I learnt from Asinov and Bradbury,,just kidding,,
MPJ,,,,,,we will learn in our Lifetime what has been allotted to us.
Many,many have went Before us,,,if you make it a
year,,then New Pictures too analyze,comment,agree,or dis-agree,we are a
small group,,with Hort at the helm,,and various science officers.You are one of these.

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: November 27, 2011 10:14 AM 

Moderator,,,,,will you be so kind as to Please Remove the above Post

r lewis

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PostPosted: November 27, 2011 9:59 PM 

I would hardly call $2.6 billion spending endless money on MArs. In the sacel of the federal budget it is a pittance. It's probably a bigger chunk out of NASA's budget than it should have been, but that is there own fault for not controlling costs better.

Remeber, MER was about $860 million for 2 rovers!


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PostPosted: November 28, 2011 5:53 AM 

Did they really embed a microchip on Curiosity or was it just a publicity stunt?


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PostPosted: November 28, 2011 5:57 AM 

What I meant to say was did they really embed a micro chip with a list of names from around the world on the deck of curiosity as I can find no links to accessing the names?

Kevin Author Profile Page

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PostPosted: November 28, 2011 7:53 AM 

This could be the last major mission to Mars for a while as funds are being shifted around to pay for the James Webb Space Telescope which is severely over budget but has great support. Other missions that we in the plannig will now be pushed back including Trace Gas Orbitor, Max-C and ExoMars.

Dana Johnson

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PostPosted: November 29, 2011 6:46 AM 

ref., posts #25 & @26, Petronov, more details on the signatures on-board the rover.
I added mine my family, hope others here did so as well.
The usual link button is missing on my webpage on this browser page, so you have to 'ctrl' C & P, for transfer to your address bar, sorry.

This area is so dominated by the local massively deep volcanism deposits, we are unlikely to find anything but somewhat altered materials 'cleansed of life's signature by the source of the deep miles of upward funneled ash, tephra type materials, basalts, and related chemistry combinations. MSL will give us a history of the portion of the local geology however, as the deposits are a product of periods of that locality.
Some other rover may find what it is claimed is being sought after.
Deep as Gale crater is, however, I may be mistaken about my claims here in this post.
A testing of a great machine,
and thanks to Clara Ma for the fine name.
We are making history for centuries of curious descendants.

Dana Johnson

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PostPosted: November 29, 2011 6:49 AM 

I'll add a few images to explain the post contents a little later.

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: November 29, 2011 10:18 AM 

Thank you Dana

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: November 29, 2011 8:04 PM


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PostPosted: November 29, 2011 11:59 PM 


I as well sent my name including my family members.

I did so on the MER too and Cassini.

Thanks for the read on the link in your 28.



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PostPosted: November 30, 2011 12:00 AM 

...Oh, also DAWN and New Horizons.


John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: November 30, 2011 10:44 AM 

Trying to get a handle on the use of the tools on Curiosity.

Science Payload Investigations
1. Alpha Particle X-ray Spectrometer: Ruth Ann
Chicone,Quebec Canada

2 Chemestry and Camera:Nancy Ambrosiano,

3. Chemistry and Mineralogy:Cathy Wesselby
NASA,Ames Research,,Moffett Field,Calif.

4. Dynamic Albedo of Neutrons:Igor Mitrofanov
Space Research Institute, Moscow,Russia;

5,6,7.Mars Descent Imager,,,,,,,,,Mars Hand Imager
and Mast Camera:: Michael Ravine,Malin Space
Science Systems,San Diego

8. Radiation Asseement Detector: Donald Hassler,,Southwest Reasearch Institute: Bolder,

9. Rover Enviromental Monitoring Station:Luis
Cuesta, Centro ds Astrobiologia, Madrid Spain.

10. Sample Analysis at Mars:Nancy Neal Jones,
NASA,Goddard,Greenbelt Md.


Engineering Investigation
MSL Entry, Descent and Landing Instrument
Suite: Kathy Barnstorff NASA Langley Research

This Girl was made from all over the world.

I added the numbers,,so don't know if correct,,this
came from Kevin's,rather large but fast reading..pdf. Link is in above posts,,in red.

dx,,,,,,,,,Messenger also is sending back some
Incredible! stuff.And as you said ,,DAWN and
New Horizons

and Dana,,,,'''We are making history for centuries of curious descendants.''
Indeed we are.
Indeed we are,,and it should be taken with the responsibility it deserves.


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PostPosted: December 1, 2011 5:55 AM 

NASA screwed the mission before it actually started?

NASA's Mars Rover Curiosity Had Planetary Protection Slip-Up


If that is to be true: the usage of the drill bits should be restricted! If they use them its not only a problem of contamination but it would render any results regarding organics more ore less useless or at least heavily doubtful for the usual skeptics at least. I really hope not but maybe it is a tactical move of NASA to silence Dr. Levin who is now back in action and more or less "officially" rendered the MSL an indirect life detection mission (which i totally agree)? So to say a counterinsurance if something interestingly regarding Martian life will be detected?



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PostPosted: December 1, 2011 5:58 AM 

Sorry second link above was wrong. Here is it:

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: December 1, 2011 11:26 AM 



Thanks mpj;;;
should be able to clean bits with laser after landing,,,no big deal but a BIG lesson learned,,,,

,,,I am just happy that Dr.Levine endorses Curiosity on the life issue.That is enough for

,,found it interesting that other science instruments that did not work were based on
failure caused by 'unknowns' on Mars,,,,,hmmmmmm


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PostPosted: December 1, 2011 5:09 PM 

MPJ; Thanks for passing on that article about the drill bits. It makes no sense whatever. There cannot be any kind of excuse for that "mistake". Those drills should have been THE major materials destined for sterilization and everyone should have been made aware of it. The official who allowed it to happen should be severely disciplined.

However, too late to cry over spilt milk, what can be done about it at this stage? Would it be possible for the bits to be thoroughly examined on the first several sols of the landing for any signs of microbial contamination before being introduced into the martian soil? The examination would have to be super thorough involving the Microscopic imager and any of the other science instruments that could be brought to bear on them. Thus it might take a week or so to get positive or negative results.

I happen to think that the signs of life are totally persavive and ubiquitous in the martian soil and that the instruments carried by Curiosity should be able to find and measure them. i.e the strength of the reactions will be such that it would be impossible to claim that the few microbes that could be introduced on the bits, could give rise to such reactions. If such reactions, signs of living organisms, etc. are measured at every site sampled and graphs made of the strength of the reaction, numbers of organisms vs. distance from the curiosity landing site, a clear unequivocal argument could be made for either contamination with new entrants or reactions caused by indigenous organisms.

I don't think all is lost.

Microbiologists, not astrobiologists, should over the next few weeks be contracted to design systems and protocols for doing this with the objective of ensuring that if any possibly living organism is found on or near the drill bits its position could be monitored and checked over a period of time after specified methods are put in place to ensure that the probability of its release to the general martian environment is near nil. These protocols would be designed by contracted microbiologists in collaboration with the relevant engineering people. This should be given high priority.

I still can't believe this happened.



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PostPosted: December 1, 2011 5:15 PM 

MPJ; I just made a detailed response to your post and the parser held it for further checking. I hope Mark Carey is monitoring the blog and will try to clear the backlog.

I suspect that all my posts that mentioned l_fe or g__log__s are the ones being held.



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PostPosted: December 2, 2011 8:02 AM 

ref., the image in reply #37 just above, as an altered elevation mapped image of Gale crater, with the North orientation angled to the lower right corner of the page, the far right side of the image shows a very long fault system made irregular by the surface cohesiveness of materials, which appears to undulate along a near straight line throughout the entire Gale crater floor and both rim crossings.
The resulting 'gully' type formation which is eroded to a channel appears deep and perpendicular to the Dichotomy line of subsidence or (faulting tilted sections) which is/are along the far left side from top to bottom of the image, and on the right side of the image crossing the rim at the mid-range of the image.
The symmetric appearance of the trailing lines of crater peak materials seems to fit the angle of the long fault, approximately, however in other images the angles seem slightly differing, more trending from the volcanism distant peaks and sources.Can we see in this image a rift type spreading zone, or is the tilted appearance bolcks a set of compression motions?
I would think these features indicate a vast altering set of characteristics explaining the tilted near side subsidence of the crater floor, giving a reason additional to any 'water' liquid influence for the deep floor elevation measure.
It would be a benefit to assess the apparent tilted sections as more informational than the floor and the central peak layers, I would suspect.
Are we going to miss most of the ancient history of the crater and previous content of geology and possible life-like content?

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