Curious about Curiosity

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Kevin







PostPosted: November 9, 2011 1:05 PM 

Not long to go now before launch. Here is everything you need to know about MSL all 60 pages of it.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/press_kits/MSLLaunch.pdf

John Henry Dough


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PostPosted: November 9, 2011 6:47 PM 

I never saw any mention to a Tell-Tale,,as per wind force and direction.

Do you know if there will be any Weather Keeping?,,,,as per,,,ground temp,air-temp,at regular intervals?
Heaven Forbid!? An actual,, working... atmospheric level gauge?
Thanks for new topic,,,the time is growing near to Launch,,and the more nervous I become,,,,there are only a few million things that could go wrong,,,we are at the Cutting Age of Technology,,,,,,IF. we land Curiosity at Gale.

(I feel for my Soviet Friends)
God-speed,,Curiosity
JHD

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PostPosted: November 10, 2011 5:11 AM 

Yes there is a fully operational Weather Station, here is what it will do:

This investigation will assess wind speed, wind direction,
air pressure, relative humidity, air temperature, ground
temperature, and ultraviolet radiation. Operational plans
call for taking measurements for at least five minutes
every hour of the full-Martian-year (98-week) mission.

John Henry Dough


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PostPosted: November 11, 2011 8:31 AM 

Wow,,,,,,,this is a GOOD thing....I look forward to
weather stats,
Thanks Kevin,,,,,you realize of course that You are
Very Fortunate and Blessed,,to be even near such a telescope....and drawing while you gaze,,,,
me,me,me,me,me,me,me,me,,,,,,When can I visit?
Just kidding,,no-way....You will have to post some of your drawings here for the rest of us who are
not as lucky as you.(Big Smile of Admiration)

You have been the largest proponent for Life on Mars on the forum,,,perhaps you will be as lucky
in that also.Let us hope.

I know just enough about rockets to be terribly nervous,until Curiosity has wheels on the ground,
that sky-crane is terrifying.

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PostPosted: November 11, 2011 11:23 AM 

John if you are ever in London the Observatory is open to all and thanks for your words. They call me Mars Man up there. I am looking forward to Mars coming back and will indeed be making some drawings hopefully over time all 4 faces. I will post them when I am done sometime in Spring.

I am nervously excited about MSL and also going to be even more nervous when that Sky Crane goes into action. MSL is huge what a challenge!

We have some great geologists on this site who I learn a lot from. The findings in the Antartic has spurred my imagination on what could have and might be happening on Mars so it was worth kicking off that thread. I thank all for their great contributions that helps us all to understand.

dx


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PostPosted: November 11, 2011 5:54 PM 

Kevin>>>

Do you have any cosmological scientist friends in your league of adventurers?

yt
dx

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PostPosted: November 12, 2011 4:42 AM 

Hi dx,

Yes several spread across various fields, I will not name drop but they are internationally recognised and frequently in the media.

I am very lucky to be able to meet with Sir Patrick Moore on a regular basis and the current BBC series of the Sky at Night features our Observatory, I even get a little cameo appearance!

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PostPosted: November 16, 2011 7:06 AM 

Nice little video on Curiosity:

http://bit.ly/w4G8Hx

John Henry Dough


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PostPosted: November 21, 2011 7:37 PM 

Very soon now,

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/


Godspeed Curiosity
jhd

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PostPosted: November 25, 2011 4:54 AM 

Could Curiosity be the last Rover on Mars?

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/atlas/av028/111124future/

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PostPosted: November 25, 2011 5:02 AM 

I did not know Gale Crater is deeper then the Valles Marines:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15841893

MPJ


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PostPosted: November 25, 2011 6:52 AM 

"Could Curiosity be the last Rover on Mars?" That is what I suspecting as well except MSL would make a really extraordinary discovery (et life). Nobody wants to spend endless of (tax)money on geology missions on a remote planet.
NASA maneuvered themselves in some kind of dead end regarding Mars by not following up the existing evidence for Martian life but concentrating on the geology theme for whatever reason.

I still say Mawrth Vallis would have been the better choice regarding extraordinary discoveries and future funding for Mars research! Wink

1st: find life on Mars (partly done by Viking)
2nd: explore it and do the geology research as a bonus (not the other way around)

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PostPosted: November 25, 2011 12:18 PM 

MPJ Once life has been found, remote from earth, the only scientific change will be that "creationists" will just say the creator planned it that way, whereas geologic investigation may have some future economic importance.

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PostPosted: November 25, 2011 1:56 PM 

Ben, I totally agree. Geologic surveys will have their importance - for science and economy - but just not yet as long as we have not got the tech to actualy exploit putative Martian resources.
The most interest which is in the realm of our capabilities now (some would argue hardly within our abilities now) would be the discovery and research of et-life. A topic which interests a far broader audience if not most people on Earth now. A bullet proof discovery of extant life on Mars or even extinct life (fossils) or the totally unbelievable discovery of alien artefacts would boost general interest in Mars by magnitudes more than lets say the discovery of a gold deposit there and now (allthough that could have some impact on the general gold prices on earth) Smile

My view is that detailed geologic exploration will and should start with commercial funding after there is a human outpost/colony on Mars to actually exploit the findings...This is not something for pure academic/scientific research payed from tax money.

MPJ


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PostPosted: November 25, 2011 2:18 PM 

Few things to add: The ESA for example is fully aware of this situation and aim exclusively for the life topic with the Exo Mars program (Orbiter and Rover). And they are not stupid - most european scientists are fully aware of the Viking results (especialy the LRx) including the Russians who even asked Levin for fitting his upgraded experiment to the Mars96 mission which he did after many problems with NASA and partly the US government in a disguised form at last. Sadly the Russians had and still have no luck with Mars missions.
Also the ESA Exo Mars program is far from flying to Mars so we will propably never know wether there is life on Mars or not during our lifetime although NASA is sending a multi billion dollar super rover there Shocked

Maybe Iam just a bit too pessimistic today and should rather just enjoy the gorgious vistas which we get from Mars now and later from MSL too Smile

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PostPosted: November 25, 2011 6:13 PM 

Well technology will,just breed more technology.
So. Yes we will (eventually) set foot on Mars.

This economic situation will (eventually) correct
itself,We have lived in a wonderful time,
jhd

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PostPosted: November 25, 2011 6:55 PM 

JHD; I am sure you are including the Chinese in that "we".

So. Yes we will (eventually) set foot on Mars

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PostPosted: November 25, 2011 9:30 PM 

MPJ, I agree. The public is not willing to spend vast sums of money on geological investigations of a lifeless planet. That is why the Apollo missions ended after it became apparent how barren and desolate the moon seemed to be.

The only thing that has allowed Mars exploration to continue is the hope that life---past or present---will be found there. It is very telling that the news media trumpets each Mars mission as "looking for life." The main purpose of MSL has been presented to the public as a search for habitability, not as reading the geological history of Mars (which IMO is a worthwhile endeavour but not nearly as popular).

However, the public patience is running out. If something like a fossil is not discovered soon, then I don't see politicians agreeing to the ever increasing cost of further missions. However, if extant or even extinct life were to be discovered, then the floodgates would open.

The only other thing that might lead to renewed American exploration is a sense of competition if something like Phobos-Grunt was wildly successful. Actually, I think if the Europeans and Russians worked closely together they could have great success. Russia must be flush with oil dollars right now and the Phobos-Grunt mission cost less than a tenth of MSL. Perhaps if Phobos-Grunt is recovered, the resultant warm glow may lead to future cooperation on ExoMars and an expanded mission.

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PostPosted: November 25, 2011 10:36 PM 

I look at it like this,,,,there is so little interest that,,
there are only a small community of internet
presence.Only two groups that I know of.
This is a BAD thing.Will interest pique if Curiosity,
roams Mars?

You can thank Your NASA Adminestrator and Obama's Trip to china,,for the sudden flurry of
accomplishments,China be Comunist will not share.Soon we should be repeating History with a JFK,Apollo program,born of Necessity,Perhaps for China to become a Space Superpower is a GOOD thing.
A Champion could arrise from the ESA....there are gifted people there.
\Yes,,if it takes china,,walking on Mars to get the rest of us into space,,,then so-be-it.
I Pray to the only God that I know,,,that This will not be.That people who share knowledge will be first.
I don't know
j

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PostPosted: November 25, 2011 11:59 PM 

Barsoomer; Habitability is more popular than rocks ( there probably aren't 200,000
geologists on earth) but even finding Homo Sapien fossils wouldn't change the potential for us to easily live there.

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PostPosted: November 26, 2011 12:38 AM 

Not easy for the pioneers, but easy for their descendants after they master the necessary technologies.

I don't think the current public is interested in going to Mars themselves, but they could be interested in learning of strange creatures that might be fascinating to the children, like dinosaurs. I think there would be enough interest to finance several robotic expeditions that could incidentally learn a lot about Mars geology.

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