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mann


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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 12:15 AM 

so much goin on. That clump has so many things that appear to be biological in nature. Fred has pointed out just a few. The pistil like items, with the swollen tips, there a many of these.

how i wish for some 3d.

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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 8:58 AM 

Fred / Mann

Hort's sol 110 images might indeed be the Mars Exploration images of the year. I posted a crop and somewhat enhanced image of the area in best focus in my reply 299 but it does'nt seem to be showing. I've pointed out a few of the areas that I think are most biolgical looking but there are several more. Some of those agree with Fred's annotations above.

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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 9:02 AM 

Hi Mann

You got it right. 3-D is urgently needed

Winston

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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 10:34 AM 

Hi All

Looking at the sol 110 Oms again I thought I would mix one of my own composites to get a idea of the differences in colour of the various sections of the other OM.

HEre it is

The image is processed for increased colour contrast although the colours are not themselves balanced nor hues changed. There seems to be many areas in the image which could bear a further AFM look re. possible non-geo origin.

Winston

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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 11:56 AM 

Indeed, That image screams "bio"! It seems that there is a organising principle at work that clumps the soil together, that has a biologic signature. I also see extremely small balls/berry's lumping together. I see hair like features and the whole thing reminds me of earth fungi such as

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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 12:28 PM 

Wow,

Zoost, I think you are on the right track. Winston, your crop shows even more features including a 360 degree bloom, image with area below. Wow again.

Fred


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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 7:39 PM 

I was looking through the sol 110 micro images again, and noticed a couple other interesting features. Just noting, for what it's worth...

Another "fibre" (bottom of image)?:

http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=31925&cID=294

Four little similar-looking "bumps" in a row (lower left corner of image):

http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=31855&cID=294

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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 8:01 PM 

Hi Paul SCott Anderson

Good finds! Here's my colouration of the image with the filaments. There are more than one and they resemble to some extent fungal rhizoids.

Winston

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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 8:42 PM 

Hi Paul

Forgot to mention above that that image is from the OM36 Silicone substrate. It has been very heavily sprinkled (the heaviest so far) and therefore the sample might be more representative of the constituents of the actual soil than some of the earlier ones.

Below is another sol 110 OM composite. It is also a silicone substrate from the OM54 stage. This one is a typical lightly sprinkled sample and there are lots of spheres, single and joined and some short filaments along with some quite uniform in shape and size smooth dark particles which I'm certain someone will recognize as a typical stone but which I think needs AFM treatment to be sure.

Winston

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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 9:06 PM 

Hi Paul,

I'm seeing all kind of interesting stuff, in the 2nd link you posted. I tried to use GIMP to point the things out, but realised that my picture resembled the kind of pictures people posted here when they wanted to point out ancient sculptures on Mars. So I will not do that. But never the less I see Who Who's there (lower left).

Do I remember correctly that the person who broke the perchlorate story, was invited to be embedded on the science team for maximum transparency? (how's that for a "thank you" to the person who embarrassed the team, with the "bogus" story that the white house was informed about .....). Well we could use some transparency now. What do we see here mister embedded journalist?

It amazes me by the way that the other site, seems not intrigued in these features (except for Stu). Are we crazy?

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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 9:23 PM 

I think that anyone that can look at Hort’s image and not see anything but dust and minerals is worried to say anything. We have now all seen the soil matrix up close and in focus. It is an alien world indeed. I think it goes a long way to explain why things collapse when exposed to the atmosphere.

Zoost your Earth comparison is probably as close as we will get and it is far from what we are seeing.

I challenge anyone to show any Earth images like that. If those are rocks then so are we.

Fred

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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 9:35 PM 

Hi Zoost

I'm not amazed by the lack of interest of the denizens of the other site in the OM images and the probabilities of the use of the OFB.

They are generally conditioned to discuss only the things that are fed to them by Credentialed NASA / JPL / ASU and Other SCientists. They are proscribed from thinking outside the box. All the research has to be done for them. They operate only in the realm of peer reviewed published SCience. Thus they can do some really excellent graphics and carry on some excellent discussions based on topics that are within the pale and that have been flagged by the Official team or by Emily Lackadawalla. Thus they can discuss briefly the filament that was seen on the OM images on sol 105 which is generally considered to be an earth contaminant and therefore not threatening to the paradigm.

However, anything that hinges on the possibility of Martian Biology is definitely outside the pale, is speculation and therefore would be banned forthwith or at least seriously frowned on by Doug and his acolytes.

I would not be surprised if Stu and some of the others are following the OM images and the OFB story here but they dare not bring it up on their forum.

Stu is allowed to post some OM images but he has to be very careful to also post his protestations that these are just pretty images and are not meant to imply that they are anything other than just rocks as Any poster there who brings up a bio topic in a positive light will be given short shrift.

Winston

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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 9:40 PM 

Fred, did you say "bloom".

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PostPosted: September 16, 2008 10:07 PM 

Hi Mann

I thought I heard Fred/Darwin say "Ouch". Surely he could not have said "bloom".

Beautiful, Touche!

Winston

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PostPosted: September 17, 2008 1:04 AM 

Thanks, LWS and zoost. Maybe Hort could do some of his enhancements of these two new images I pointed out?

I noticed the apparent lack of interest(?) in the other forum too. The "fuzzy clump" found by Barsoomer was just briefly referred to as being magnetized particles (ferromagnetic). Maybe yes, maybe no. The "ribbon" was quickly identified as being from the telltale. Maybe yes, maybe no. But I'd like to hear this, in both cases, from the Phoenix team itself. Hasty assumptions (with no other theories allowed) based only on a quick look at an image are not always correct.

Paul

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PostPosted: September 17, 2008 2:07 AM 

Just one more note on the to be famous image. Look in the white box, image1. Then look at an OM crop by Dana Johnson downloaded 6-18 on his site, Image 2.

I think we now have a great view of this in it’s natural environment. That is a lot to ask of a rock don’t ya think.

Fred

Image 1

Image 2

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/2864112743_aebc58aca4_o.png

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PostPosted: September 17, 2008 8:31 AM 

Now I just got of the phone with an old weather friend and he said, “When it comes to crystallization no two are the same, i.e., snowflakes.”

What we have here in my above post is replication. With this in mind I think it would be harder to prove this is non-bio. Wake up folks, how can you sleep.

Fred

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PostPosted: September 17, 2008 12:08 PM 

sol 111 4x crop of OM20 ( OM White ):

I feel somewhat justified creating a 4X by the use of all 12 image to create the RGB.

If it bothers you, stand across the room when you view the image.

This is the first sample cell photographed on sol 4. But, of course, the overlap of the sol 4 and the sol 111 images is small - and the focus is different -- so comparison is almost impossible -- but I was able to register the images.

The comparison GIF was so filled with god-awful 256 color artifacts that I will not post it. The various bumps and groves and particles in sol 4 are for the most part unchanged.

But that new stuff...

You just know the rock guys are going to go gaga over the sorta' cubic particle -- and completely ignore all the short, filigreed lines.

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PostPosted: September 17, 2008 12:23 PM 

Maganese on mars. Good googling.

"Simply stated, SOD outcompetes damaging reactions of superoxide".

Funny line eh horton.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/5thMars99/pdf/6133.pdf

Back to hortons fine works.

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PostPosted: September 17, 2008 1:08 PM 

testing 1, 2

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