Had to ask

I must ask. Has anyone on this forum besides myself seen a UFO?

Not me, John. But a few people I know say they have. Would you describe your sighting and entertain questions?

Email me.

Yeah. About 20 years ago I walked my beagle over to the field to sniff and crap. Walked him every night after the 11:00 news. Anyway, there was a low thin cloud deck, could see a hazy faint moon, but no stars. Something caught my peripheral vision. Looked kinda like a meteor streak. It stayed the same length, but grew wider and wider until it had about a 5:1 aspect ratio. It was orange, seemed to be in or just above the thin cloud deck. It illuminated the clouds like a flashlight in light smoke. After about ten seconds, it started narrowing until it disappeared. It seemed to be a door or set of doors opening, pausing for a few seconds,then closing. Not having anything to compare it with, I cannot estimate the size, but it was quite large. I saw no structure inside, nothing exited or entered. The duration of the event was 20-30 seconds. No noise was heard. The object seemed quite stationary.

A couple of times yes both over London:

1 = I was in broad daylight, a sort of rust coloured dome shape about the size of a saloon car rose up slowly with a motion like a falling leaf but as I say going upward. It emerged from the back or a raiway yard and sub powerstation for the trains it just kept going until it was gone.

2 = Looking from high up over central London toward the south a light sat on the far horizon for sometime it remained stationary and slowly got brighter. After an hour or so it was very bright, aircraft heading for various airports seemed to go around it. It eventually faded quickly and was gone. I reported it the next day to a UFO watchdog and they said there were other reports especially around South London of a bright object that hung in the sky for a while and then went.

Your first sighting, distance? What is a saloon car?

Ist sighting was no more than 500 yards or so and we are talking an average family car there was no noise or lights etc. Just this rusty coloured dome/cone thing swaying upwards.

KPM>>

Interesting, do you remember the date and time of day? Did take any pictures? Did you have the time to take any?

While on summer vacation in the Bruce peninsula, Tobermory Ontario to be exact, I chanced a dark night sky overhead view from a lake we were staying at. I won't forget it but at about 70 degrees to the horizontal in looking northwest at about 10:00 pm a streak of light caught my eye, I knew it was a meteor, but the strangest thing was while observing that streak cross all the background stars at a tremendous rate of speed another one with the same luminosity ran parallel with it until they both disappeared [travel direction was north to south]...2 meteorites streaking across the night sky. I was happy to see that. Even though the whole event lasted a second or so, those streaks are still ingrained into my memory. I believe I was 13/14 years old in the late '50's.

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Yeah know, I lived in the country for 25 years under dark open southern skies looking east to west. Saw lots of satellites, meteorites including the ISS, and airplanes in the distance with landing lights shimmering in the atmosphere but never did see something or anything I could not identify. I also own a beautiful 8" black Schmidt-Cassegrain Celestron scope c/w motors for right ascension and declination and a computer that holds 4000 stars along with a great pair of binoculars for the best of night time viewing.

I guess some of you are just plain lucky to see something you can't identify.

All the best in your observations.

The Disks of Baian-Kara-Ula
... they came from the stars

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I ran across this recently. Apparently pretty well documented.

1st Sighting was around lunchtime and I was 10 years old.

2nd Sighting I was about 21 and it was a clear early winter night I was 25 floors up looking right across London.

No photo's I am afraid, as the years went by I continued to study this subject to learn more. In all it is hard to say which story is or is not true but certainly there are a lot of ex military talking about it as they are so old now MIB's no longer scare them.

I shall send a few links.

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You are lucky to see the Sky so well no doubt what you saw could have been a UFO but if a meteorite or and old peice of space junk breaks up the pieces fly parallel if of similar size and weight. UFO's tend to do very weird things one of which could be chasing a meteor for fun!

This is a very common sighting over the decades and are thought to be motherships from which the smaller disks come from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/image:1871.UFO.gif

This story has been very hard to disprove and continues to rattle on I personally remember when it the newspapers it was more than just the military who saw it.

http://en.wikipedia.org?wiki?Rendlesham_UFO_incident

The overall Wikipedia UFO sight is very good and does well to compress a big subject. No one denies the governments of NATO getting involved and the threat they thought this posed to national security.

Apollo 11 said they were not alone.

Kpm>>>

I know what you saying about space junk. But when I saw this in the '50's there was no such thing at the time...there just wasn't any.

We have to remember 1 thing as we grow up and grow older. Our ancestors know absolutely nothing compared to what we know today in all matters of technical and academic discipline that all of interested people what to keep abreast with. Our personal knowledge base is one that consumes the extraordinary man that endevours to find info and describe it to others. That particular movement has always been there but the knowledge base of that information keeps changing. What they knew when they graduated from high school, college or university then, we know today in JR. high.
Information is always relative to the date you found it. One can't stop learning. The history of man is a time consuming event. It will never stop. The Earth and its inhabitants past, present or future is all that we have. We simply have to get it in the correct chronological order so we can see the light of day, and maybe someday we can relate that data to an alien race we visit or they visit us, and know it to be true.

That is why the Internet is growing with the latest human information in anthropology, archeology, and mere history of all things all the time. To me this is more than fascinating, I may never be around to learn the truth!

Who would have thought to amalgamate the Dropas in our current cultural history...why its mere madness, and not only that but you never heard of them until the advent of the net! I read about the Dropas when the net opened to the public in the mid 90's. Thanks for that read Henry. There is always a little bit more to learn from the last readings.

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I’m sure that by now someone has checked the DNA the Dropas carry, and compared it with our own. Better yet, recover the earliest Dropa DNA available, from some gravesites, too.

Henry>>>

This kind of work has always got my hairs up, the good intentions kind. In North America alone, it seems that humans were here 400000 years ago complete with 'foot prints' cast in stone or lava or sand turned petrified....something like that and just being excavated again, in Mexico of all places. I was reading about it not 2 weeks ago, when somehow I hit a site with unusual things happening and it[the thing] was not being brought to the forefront of historians and archaeologists through excavation and testing. But it is happening regardless as I type these words. And I am glad for this decision to go forward by the funding bodies.

That kind of thing bothers me. But I realize that history or the confirmation of events can not be written or rewritten in a day, but I expect loyalty from colleagues and peers whom have found something of interest to set the human record straight. Its not difficult to compile information to confirm. You are a physicist, you know that.

Where is all this leading? Like I said, I don't want to be dead when the truth emerges from the sands of time. And neither does anyone else.

Perhaps we humans are older with real human events than we think we are. Perhaps we are too f'g arrogant to to see the truth too. After all the Earth is an old habitant, and one hell of a lot things have happened at the surface [besides microbes] that either intrigue us or piss us off for doubting history.

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Where is all this leading? Like I said, I don't want to be dead when the truth emerges from the sands of time. And neither does anyone else.

Yeah, dx, we are all captured in our own little “snapshot” of time, while reality is a moving picture. No generation will ever know it all, because new mysteries appear as others get explained.

Henry, speaking of a "snapshot of time". Imagine if you will the people who came across the land bridge to Alaska. Kodiak bears. Ha! There were even BIGGER bears then. If only we could see THEIR "snapshots". I'd guess they were on foot. Flint spears, no rifles. I looked up Dx's human foot prints and don't subscribe to it. They don't look like foot prints to me. Yeah, I don't want to be dead either, I'll miss a lot. However, I saw Alan Shepard's flight and have seen images FROM other planets and images OF other planets, and witnessed man walking on the moon. The ISS is an AMAZING structure orbiting our planet. I'd like to know the secrets. Heck, I've seen what was secret just a few years ago. Secrets have been revealed since mankind was created. Magellan sailed into the unknown and the unknown was no longer unknown. Then, it was astonishing and amazing. What I have seen is astonishing and amazing. I too wish I could live forever. I cannot. If I could, I would be God, and only God knows all secrets.

Henry and John>>>

There is something important to say at this moment as I read your passages above. Remember the human genome finally read and deciphered just a few years ago. Well, take size of that project, microscopic mind you, and blow that up and place it in the world of today.
What we see [when I say 'see' I mean all the things that make the world 'go' in all disciplines in various directions of human life we all make] is now all around us AND ABOVE us. That was not the case before Sputnik, we were dreamers like our ancestors, billions of them and everyone since antiquity who looked up into the day or night sky.

Albeit, today our snapshot is seen as scratching the space envelope to escape Earth physically towards another planet[Mars-Moon].

But that does not stop us from looking DOWN, in the earth itself for the history of early man. These 2 major human directions are ongoing as you say. I think man recorded his early time on Earth very well but the even earlier shit is very disorganized, uneven and scattered which brings on doubt and extraordinary claims of things no one knows about at all. There were no 'snapshots' as you say at that earlier time.
But we do have plenty of other historical snapshots to believe in and with enough of them something has got to give way for an improved statement within that discipline.

John, I saw what you saw too, but I don't believe in any ... who knows all secrets. I can't even type that word! I have rid that word from my mind and therefore
my vocabulary.

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If you COULD go forward or back, only ONCE, where would you go and how far back or forward?

The archaeological record gets sketchier proportionally to the distance in time. I've worked several digs, there are a a lot of wishes and guesses, depending on what the archaeologist is wanting for his resume. There fore I'd go BACK, and learn the REAL truth.

John>>>

Pretentiously speaking, I was born at the wrong time. I know it. I wanted 2500/2600AD, not the '40's, '50's or '60's that most of us are in.

That way all this 'now' crap would be behind me. I don't need it. Mind you I am interested in any historical outcome. But to go to Mars...forget it. Its a wasteful tragic thought and event...Yeah, it will happen but with no real gains! Foolish move. Too bad most if not all humans can't see beyond their nose let alone think of the 'real' future involved.

I'm an international award winning designer John and you don't know how I look at earthly things common or otherwise. Look at a supper plate, a cupfull of water, a roof slope where not required, an urban plan for your neighborhood friends, a road system, Driving down the road, shopping malls!, a rocket ship, a base on the Moon or Mars and most of those folk promoting them.

My sense of humour is huge.

Did you ever stand on the 'outside' of the box and look in it? I have been that way well before the socialists zanies thought about 'outside' the box for the rest of their type. I do it every waking minute while on this planet...and its a hoot, especially the stuff in the papers and TV. Its a fantastic laugh.

Yeah, I am a dreamer, so what! I knew it at age 5. That's what keeps ME active and alive while here. Now just get rid of those wackos who think they have to be 'outside' the box too for they will surely ruin the whole experiment!

Where it is really happening is in the future...far, far away.

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dx

dx......I am in complete agreement with the no gain assessment of manned mission to Mars. I do not foresee colonization of Mars ANYTIME. I LOVE the orbiters and rovers. It satisfies my innate curiosity of the unknown. I would love to see man on Mars in my lifetime only out of selfish curiosity. If we find new energy sources and "star trek" technology we could find some REAL Earth like planets. It'll never happen in my lifetime of course. I mean, heck, Antarctica is more hospitable than Mars. Global warming may make it the garden spot of the world. Say, 200 years. The dominant language of the world may well be Chinese. I foresee either a pandemic, nuclear war, or mass starvation due to population overtaking the carrying capacity of this blue orb. Perhaps the combination of any or all. We are nearing a pivotal point in civilization. Regardless of what the future will bring we ARE living in the NOW. If I was living in the PAST, without the medicines available NOW, I'd be quite dead due to heart disease. There are a MYRIAD of possibilities for the future. We can only guess. As for a slope of the roof where not required, there are aesthetics and beauty to consider. Ever seen those boxes with windows in N. Korea or Soviet Russia? They may be functional, but do NOTHING for the part of the mind that responds to beauty. It's art deco for me. Even though it is eighty years old, it has a great appeal to the eye. Being as you are a designer, how do you balance form and function? BTW, Frank Lloyd Wright is a hero of mine.