Victoria Crater Dunes are in Fact Fulgamites

Let me first congratulate the Mars Rover team on their successes to date with the mission.

I want to register a scientific prediction for the features visible at the bottom of Victoria crater. I've heard that NASA believes that these are sand dunes. I do not know the history associated with investigating these features, which appear to be common at the bottoms of craters all over Mars, but I can say with some confidence that these are not in fact sandy dunes. They are in fact glassified mounds of debris called fulgamites.

My understanding is that NASA will likely refer to them as "pachydermal weathering", but it is the opinion of the Electric Universe Theorists that the glassification and morphology of these structures indicate that this crater was formed by virtue of an electrical plasma.

In CJ Ransom's experiments where a plasma gun is shot at various types of soil, the charged probe gathers material from the area surrounding the dark mode release of electrical energy and shoots it into the air. The shallow crater that forms gradually grows larger as more and more material is sucked in to the center of the plasma vortex.

If the energy is high enough, the material will be swept into the center of the vortex and then re-deposited below the discharge zone, where the heat would tend to glassify the surface, leaving it partially solidified. That's why the formations on Mars don't move around in the wind -- they're covered with a crust of tiny ceramic beads that have been fused together. These beads can also be created using laboratory plasma experiments.

One interesting aspect to these "sand dunes" inside the craters on Mars is that they all -- without fail -- exhibit identical morphology, from the polygonal formations to the trailing tendrils that look like they rise right out of the ground, rather than resting on top of it. We are concerned that NASA has apparently failed to remark on this fact, despite being presented with, literally, thousands of examples from orbit and from Spirit and Opportunity.

We believe that the similar structures at Endurance Crater and Argyre Planitia represent the same glassification:

Wallace Thornhill explains the morphology of these glassified structures on the bottom of the following page:

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=158bp8u0

I realize that there is great resistance to any suggestion that electrical plasmas could be terra-forming Mars. But, I'd like to remind people of Wallace Thornhill's amazingly accurate prediction of the results of the Deep Impact mission:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050719deepinterim.htm

For a more detailed analysis, there is also this:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/pdf/ElectricComet.pdf

The first flash associated with the Deep Impact collision, within the EU view, represents a pre-impact flash. In fact, this was one of Thornhill's most important predictions for that mission. We believe that the first flash represented an electric discharge resulting from contact between two plasmaspheres. The fulgamites at the bottom of Victoria crater would represent further geologic evidence that supports our view that bodies in space can acquire and trade electric charge, and that many crater features can be explained by laboratory plasma physics experiments.

I must admit that I do not know how geologically unusual it would be within NASA's view that these dunes would be glassified. So, I cannot comment on whether or not this prediction relates to an anomalous feature. However, I would like to express that the EU Theorists are highly confident of this prediction based upon their analysis of other features on Mars. For what it's worth, assuming that predictions still mean something these days in astrophysics, that's their take.

I'm quite sure that there will be additional "Picture of the Day" webpages relating to this prediction and its eventual validation on the www.thunderbolts.info site as news emerges. I'm assuming that the rovers will have no problem determining whether or not the dunes are sandy.

Thanks for your time,
Chris Reeve

ps -- I'm not one of the theorists. Just an enthusiast trying to register the prediction *before* it happens.

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Wink

I say Ice, you say glass. Interesting read.

The wind patterns on the crater floor are not wind related we agree. I thought it was wash from the springs. We will see.

Darwin

Hello there, Oppy has been to the bottom of Endurance, the dunes and tentacles looked much the same to me as the ones at the bottom of Victoria. I only saw very fine dust, no water springs or electrical discharge glassifications???

I am yet to find any images of these shapes forming during arcing, a link or reference would be nice. I do have some sympathy towards some of the theories you subscribe to, but not all. Velikovsky wrote a nice fairly tale if you ask me, and Ron L. H took it a step further in the same fashion, mix it with some science fact and your on a winner. I would look for these electrical scars on a candidate like Io, where it is known to be zapped every orbit by Jupiter, and what a zap, you can hear it on Earth on about 21 Mhz. So, IYO, what is zapping Mars, an invisible plasma cloud, a quick visit by Venus???
Who knows, I know that the universe is always stranger than I could imagine.
If Jupiter can zap Io along its magnetic field lines, can the Sun zap Earth or other planets via the same method?

? Why is the Jupiter / Io current transfer heard loudly on the radio frequency that it is, maybe this is not the primary emission frequency at all but a harmonic of the primary, should we be looking at other shooshing noises from space to indicate similar things happening elsewhere.

Interesting post and the thoughts it brought.

I think the centrel dunefields of Martian craters, however they might be formed, are a fascinating object of study.

I'm posting on this thread because the photos in Chris's post show some of the reason for fascination. The Argyre Planitia picture has dunes which differ significantly both in colour and texture from the surrounding area, with a marked transition between the two. The Endurance picture has dunes and "tentacles" which are significantly smoother than the coarse-grained terrain between the tentacles, with the coarse terrain probably consisting of a dense mat of "blueberries" partially buried by dunes which are blueberry-free (though it's hard to be certain because Opportunity never drove onto the dunes at Endurance, or disturbed them in any way). In the colour pictures these dunes had a curious iridescent quality.

I doubt that these major differences between adjoining areas are caused solely by minor differences in slope. My suspicion has always been that the crater floors occasionally have a thin coating of ice, caused either by springs as Darwin suggested (from subsurface trickling of water which condenses on the crater sides) or by direct condensation of water in-situ at the crater floor, in both cases from relatively moist air which is trapped within the crater.

I would expect any seasonal ice-formation to be in the winter, when the temperatures are most conducive to the persistence of ice. So, now that Martian winter is approaching, I wonder if any recent pictures have been taken of the central dunefield at Victoria, or if there are any plans to ever take such pictures. I haven't seen any, but then I haven't been following developments as closely as I used to. Does anyone know of any recent pictures which might satisfy my curiosity? Thanks.