Confessions of a banned Unmanned Spaceflight member - Page 7

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PostPosted: September 5, 2008 11:43 AM 

Hello, Fred...

This strange looking thing in the rover's tracks is just a rock. If it resembles something other - do you know what pareidolia is?

It's a simple explaination. Phil Plait will confirm this.


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PostPosted: September 5, 2008 12:12 PM 

Oh, haven’t heard brother Phil’s name in a while. Are you a disciple? The easiest thing to do my friend is to say if you can not prove it, don’t say it or think it, Bad, Bad Astronomer.

He even wrote a book to tell everyone the error of there ways. Now let me say, free thought is a continuum. The boys here are well rooted.



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PostPosted: September 5, 2008 12:34 PM 

No, I'm not a disciple. I'm just a skeptic. And I don't approve the ways you try to prove something... Did you notice the "Ancient civilization" thread? This theory is so full of flaws that it doesn't even need debunking.


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PostPosted: September 5, 2008 12:40 PM 

Yep, that is a stretch. I personally do not believe most of the crap that we see. The boys here will just ignore it.

If you want to learn get on the Bus. Hort is the greatest real-time image man. We have a few good quality rock guys and a damn fine weatherman.

What you got brother? Questions are good.



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PostPosted: September 5, 2008 12:56 PM 

OK, I have two questions...

1. Do you have real scientists here? In this thread I noticed a line: "Scientist don't visit this forum, they visit UMSF". I may be mistaken, please, excuse me if so. Are these "rock guys" geologists?

2. Do you have biologists/molecular biologists/astrobiologists here? I have some ideas about perchlorates and microorganisms, because I'm a molecular biologist...


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PostPosted: September 5, 2008 1:07 PM 

We have people that think they are scientist and are not. We have people that do not think they are scientist and are. There really are some great people here. Some great minds.

This is a wonderful place that you can ask with sincerity and get an answer from all walks of life. It is up to you to weed out the noise. I can turn up the noise just ask anyone.

On this Forum you can ask, receive and form your opinion.

That is why I say, Doug and Phil suck. And would really like them to come on and ask why?



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PostPosted: September 5, 2008 1:11 PM 

Just a personal opinion - Phil does great things. He has debunked a lot of silly theories - the Hoagland nonsense and the Moon Hoax. Doug is also against the conspiracies. What's the problem?

I don't know why you are so offensive to them.


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PostPosted: September 5, 2008 1:24 PM 

Well ask yourself, Did it take a great mind to debunk that?

I do not like them because they will not tolerate the regular guy when he ask questions. Now I am not a rock expert or an image expert although Hort has taught me enough that I can spank about any image man. That is a testament to him not me.

When it comes to weather I can spank anyone on my own. I hope I live long enough to give some knowledge to people here that they can spank any other weather types. We will see.

That is this Forum.



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PostPosted: September 5, 2008 1:29 PM 

OK, then we will speak about Martian weather - dust storms, dust devils, water ice clouds and things of that type. My father is a meteorologist - he may help then.


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PostPosted: September 5, 2008 1:45 PM 

Cool Beans, That is something my daughter tells me. I may direct you to the Polar storms thread. This may give you and your daddy a leg up.


Look past the music that’s is just when I start drinking.


Yep I am a strange bird.

Nothing makes me happier than answering weather questions. Folks stand down for this man and his father.


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PostPosted: September 8, 2008 10:53 AM 

It takes all sorts to make a world or in this case a Blog or two and luckily we have

Rock Guys
Soil Guys
Weather Guys
General scientists
Woo Woo's

Some great image makers which is an artform nothing Psuedo. Many visit both sites each has their virtues.

Fred focus on the weather your blood pressure will blow leave UMSF to your past.


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PostPosted: May 22, 2009 4:36 PM 

Does anyone know where Doug Ellison lives?

I want to discuss something with him.

Doug Ellison

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PostPosted: May 26, 2009 7:38 AM 

I'm in the UK - drop me an email ( )


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PostPosted: May 27, 2010 4:40 PM 

I get the prize. I joined UMSF in Sept. 2006, and Doug didn't like me from day one. He picked on me in a long thread on the Pluto debate even though I had been nothing but civil. Then, he banned the debate completely--but only after suspending me for the rule he had not yet instituted. Months later, I asked an innocent question, "is Haumea in hydrostatic equilibrium," and went ballistic, sending me PMs saying the Pluto discussion is banned--even though I had never mentioned Pluto at all. Hydrostatic equilibrium is a common concept in many aspects of astronomy.

At one point, there was a Great Planet Debate held at APL in Maryland, and someone opened a thread on it. I made sure to privately ask his permission first, as a courtesy, for posting on the thread, as I was at the conference.

Recently, he freaked out when I sent him a few FB friend requests a couple of months apart. Most of my FB friends and groups are into astronomy. He sent me a nasty email, and as a gesture of goodwill, I sent UMSF a donation. He refunded it and sent me a hate letter complaining about my posts on other sites! Yes, I happen to be a vocal advocate for reinstating Pluto's planet status. I also am a writer and amateur astronomer in a graduate astronomy program.

Here are some of his more remarkable comments: "You're behaviour
regarding pluto was nothing short of crazy and continues to be nothing short of
pathological obsessive... In general, your posting on forums, your performance at the Pluto 'debate' and so on have served only to make for yourself a reputation, and that reputation is of a person who is at best an obsessive and at worst psychiatrically diagnosable.Your spam-like repeated facebook befriending or emailing of people does you no favours, and serves only to reinforce the reputation you have made for yourself...I don't want to be your friend, on facebook or anywhere else...Moreover you are not welcome at UMSF either...That you expend so much effort about something so utterly fundamentally pointless is equally terrifying and tragic, and the way you behave towards others is just
terrifying.Leave me alone, leave all of us alone. And if you've got an ounce of sense left in you, please, I beg you, use it to leave Pluto alone."

So now, this guy speaks for Pluto too! In his forum rules, he says, "if you want to rant, get a blog." Well, I got a blog, and that didn't satisfy him. There were other ageist and sexist comments as well.

No way will he ever get his wish because I will never stop advocating for Pluto or pursuing a career in astronomy. His rant sounds a hell of a lot like projection to me.

See ya in 2037, Doug.


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PostPosted: May 28, 2010 1:48 PM 

real funny story funny here is the truth.

I bought the Asteroid Pluto from an alien group living just 54 LY beyond our solar system in 1952. Yeah, that's what they called it, an asteroid. WOW...were they wrong, eh! Apparently they came from a very large water-based planet, not quite similar to the smallish Earth, so size did matter to them and evidently and correctly did call Earth a planet. I guess they were correct about the Earth condition for size after all!! Who could argue about that one? And of course when they discovered Ceres...well, they told me not to bother with the little creature-just another frozen rock in a compromised position of bored objects circling endlessly evaporating around the Sun.


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PostPosted: May 29, 2010 8:46 AM 

Here's another one that's not so funny, dx.

Laurel is a passionate space activist (we need more) and Pluto and Ceres are planets.

UMSF and NSF are cut from the same cloth.


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PostPosted: June 2, 2010 12:58 AM 


I am in complete agreement with your 'charter'.

BTW>>>of course they are planets.


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PostPosted: June 9, 2010 2:55 PM 

WOW bannedtil2037, I knew that place was bad but didnt know how nasty its got.


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PostPosted: June 16, 2010 8:18 AM 

In my opinion it's a shame that there are some people involved in space exploration, including those working on real space project, that are continuing supporting a discussion board ran by a man famous for his offensive and hurtful comments.

I don't think UMSF is the face of unmanned space exploration and I don't think it's a good example of the space community.


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PostPosted: June 16, 2010 8:20 AM 

Oh, and here is the story of mine:


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