Confessions of a banned Unmanned Spaceflight member - Page 6

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Douglas Ellison


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PostPosted: July 7, 2008 3:10 AM 

" yes, you all are inferiors and many of you are kooks and that's how we all think of you (except of course horton) on the supreme Mars blog in the universe"

That's not what I've said, it's certainly not what I've meant, and if you take the time to read what I've said about this place in the past, it contradicts what I go on record, repeatedly, saying about this place.

This place does have a lot of 'ecentric' (i.e. deviating from an established or usual pattern or style ) posting in it. It DOES stand out from the crowd ( i.e. from mainstream science ).

If you care to read what I've SAID about this place - repeatedly, both here and at UMSF..

"Mark's forum serves a very good purpose - it's not my sort of place, but I'm glad it exists - it's offers a home for that sort of discussion, which wouldn't be welcome here." - direct copy and paste from UMSF.

"Neither is right or wrong. One serves one purpose, the other serves a different purpose. I am very glad this place exists as somewhere I can point people toward when they want to discuss things outside of the scope of UMSF." - direct copy and paste from this thread.


The response?

"Doug is a huge prick"

"Now we have Doug Ellison. If I were evil I could say that evolution doesn't deal with intelligence."

"People like that disgust me."

"Don't grieve so much over old POMPOUS Doug"

"www,ikissthegroundstevesquireswalkson,com"

"Is doug Ellison gaY?"

All things considered, I've been about as positive about this forum as it is possible to be given the response I've received here. If that's not enough, I'm sorry. I wont be contributing to this thread again, there really isn't anything more to say.

brian Author Profile Page


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PostPosted: July 7, 2008 4:08 AM 

LWS,
re reply 100. I think the blog status has been well defined by Darwin, Raptor Witness, Evylin Browne Garrett Sod, lin lianqtai, william, the anonymous member who posted in Doug's name et al.

Horseman


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PostPosted: July 7, 2008 4:13 AM 

there really isn't anything more to say.

Sure there is : Doug, you are a huge prick.

How many times do we have to say it?

You are defending an organization of pricks.

My definition of prick : Constellation, Ares I.

zoost


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PostPosted: July 7, 2008 11:07 AM 

Doug,

I think what most people experience offending (at least, I do) is the fact that you claim you can distinguish between normal, good old mainstream science (your end of the scale) and weird, childish, strange, kooked way of reading the mars data (this blog, the other end of the scale). You say you are happy this blog exists because you can expel all unwanted voices from your domain to this asylum. What I find offending is that by banning the unwanted voices from your domain, you ban questions, and state that these questions or observations are "wrong" or at least "not wanted" on your site. I agree that on this blog some people see things that I don't or claim stuff that has no basis. But in my opinion the majority of questions and remarks made on this site lead to 1) more questions, 2) a different view 3) good honest answers 4) better (amateur) science in the end.

I hope you understand.

(Banned for seeing the marks of recent fluid flows on mars, and asking questions about their origin)

Favonio


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PostPosted: July 8, 2008 4:26 PM 

"Now we have Doug Ellison. If I were evil I could say that evolution doesn't deal with intelligence."

lol this does trigger something in my mind.. High chances are I'm the author of that statement. Rolling Eyes

Doug, obviously (perhaps not so obiously since you've quoted it now), I didn't really meant what I wrote there.
If I'm correct, I was very annoyed that no one apart from me was seeing what I thought to be an "evident pipe" standing out on the martian sands-pipe that later turned out to be just a very tricky optical illusion.

Sometimes debates about evolution theory would come up in the forum and this explains my mentioning of evolution, which was supposed to be part of the joke (not being myself really keen on darwinism).

I'm hardly wanting to actually insult anyone on the Internet and when I am I'm going to write very different stuff from that. That was just a ludicrous line you could and should have passed over altogether.
Anyway I'm sorry.

You knew I was only getting fun from my endless arguing with you. Smile
They're Rocks, that was a guy whose attitude I was kinda pissed of by.

Fred


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PostPosted: July 16, 2008 1:49 PM 

Now I have not been banned but wanted to show you the threshold of UMSF.

This is my last response from Doug.

“I'm afraid the line you're taking is bordering on pseudoscience. I would suggest that other fora are probably better suited to the discussion you're after.”

I was not banned just locked. I did this to show the tolerance of speculation in the scientific arena. Is that not what science is?

You can read my post as Steve39 on UMSF. He is indeed the thought Nazi. Yes Doug I know you are lurking.

http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=5313

You would have thought he would used spell check. I do not think I could have kissed his *** more than I did.

Fred

Fred


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PostPosted: July 16, 2008 2:10 PM 

Lets go Doug, as you say, “There are other forums.” We got one here. Let’s go one on one Doug. Lets reconcile the visible data.

I bet you want to stay in the world of wind and dust. Hell with the visible data. Pseudoscience? I do not think so. Let’s get it on brother. I suspect you will run and hide under your rock.

Fred/Aka Steve39

Fred


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PostPosted: July 16, 2008 2:15 PM 


Lets go Doug, as you say, “There are other forums.” We got one here. Let’s go one on one Doug. Lets reconcile the visible data.

I bet you want to stay in the world of wind and dust. Hell with the visible data. Pseudoscience? I do not think so. Let’s get it on brother. I suspect you will run and hide under your rock.

Fred/Aka Steve39

Fred


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PostPosted: July 16, 2008 2:36 PM 


We do not need to rattle the mainstream cage. I do so want some prick, yes you are a prick.

Let’s do it brother. Do not hide behind protocol.

Translation, I want some of your ignorant ***

Sorry guys.

Fred

Fred


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PostPosted: July 16, 2008 2:52 PM 

Waiting on the outpost Doug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-g_Y0UCxmg

Steve39

Fred


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PostPosted: July 16, 2008 3:16 PM 


These boys fell like you have put out a little abuse. I say bring it on. To be locked out or banned is no difference.

Talk to this man. We have our own little place and nobody to intervene. What say you?

I Like Earth weather

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iquCHSkmUek

Fred

Fred


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PostPosted: July 16, 2008 3:59 PM 

I just called Doug out. Stand by to stand by.

Fred

Fred


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PostPosted: July 16, 2008 4:11 PM 

Now I have been banned. I am like Darwin now.

Fred

Fred


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PostPosted: July 16, 2008 4:12 PM 

Now I have been banned. I am like Darwin now.

Damn good company

Fred

Fred


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PostPosted: July 16, 2008 4:21 PM 

Doug, let us go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp3AY4zbRwU&feature=related


Fred

Fred


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PostPosted: July 16, 2008 5:07 PM 

Doug, we got our on little place here. We can take it a step at a time. What say you?

Fred

Zvezdichko


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PostPosted: September 4, 2008 2:08 PM 

I've been watching this discussion for a long time. I have a website dedicated to spaceflight. It has monetary value - hosting, domains, support, etc... When I pay for something, I want it to look in a way I want to look. I set up my own rules there. There's nothing abnormal here.

The same situation is with UMSF. He made his project possible and has full rights to do whatever he wants.

Marsbug


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PostPosted: September 5, 2008 6:59 AM 

Dougs moderation can be harsh, but he wants UMSF to be strictly within the mainstream, for new ideas to have to work bloody hard to gain acceptance there, and for wild speculation to be kept to an absolute minimum.

If every space site was like that it would be oppressive, but it's Dougs house, Dougs rules and rightly so.

When I want to let my imagination run free I go elswhere, when I want to have someone pressure test an idea to see if it holds I go to UMSF.

Oh one other thing, I think Doug can take his moderation policies to far myself. That said he'd never tolerate the kinds of personal attacks he's been subjected to here against a UMSF poster. 'Kooks' is not an offense in the same leauge as 'Dougs a huge prick'. Grow up, that kind of thing does no more good on the web than it does in the real world.

Zvezdichko


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PostPosted: September 5, 2008 9:52 AM 

I'm registered at UMSF, but I rarely contribute there, because I'm busy with my own web project...

I've had my problems with the moderation a while ago, anyway.

As for the strict rules and the mainstreams - isn't this the way Mars science should be done? Each scientific journal makes a strict judgement (what is called a peer-review). It depends on the anonymous reviewers whether they will allow the article to be published.

As for the wild speculations and conspiracy theories- they don't have a place if you want to do real science. The results from MECA and TEGA for example have to go throught that peer review.

I personally want to do a real science. I'm getting a degree next year as a molecular biologist.

Fred


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PostPosted: September 5, 2008 11:29 AM 

Here, Hort can say, “What is that strange looking thing in the rover tracks? Maybe someone will respond, maybe not. On Doug”s site, no way. That is the Mars Rover Blogg.

If you think you are a scientist then scurry over there and post away. This discussion would not stand there. It would have been locked long ago. Feel free to post reply. You can here. BTW, there are some people here that can tell you what is what.

Fred

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