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Reply: 41

PostPosted: June 25, 2005 1:00 PM 

I get it; those people are really in the illusion that they can see 'through' the .jpeg artifacts Laughing
They must be aliens with super-eyes..


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Reply: 42

PostPosted: June 26, 2005 6:14 AM 

"The later, high-resolution photos reveal everything at Cydonia to be a bunch of ordinary rocks."

Rocks is clearly right.
Look at it again.


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Reply: 43

PostPosted: June 26, 2005 1:12 PM 


Why am I laughing?

Oh, nothing, forget it.

I just tried to increase the contrast of newest Cydonia photographs.

You know, I thought I'd have obtained similar shapes, just with an higher detail...



I do not see right borders of the pyramidal structure.
I do not see the "Fort". I see a completely different structure.
I do not see the walls of the "Fort", at all.
Ehm, I do not see the Face. Where is the Face? I see a big mesa. Perhaps the Face is right away, out of the image.

And now I've decided, once for all: I'll go to an eye specialist, as you-all suggest me from so much time!

F*ck, being there so huge differences and discrepancy in this comparison, it is likely to be cataract...


Doug Ellison

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Reply: 44

PostPosted: June 26, 2005 3:51 PM 

"Where is the Face?"

It's here...

"I'll go to an eye specialist"

No - just a specialist for a mild psychosis, this insistance on conspiracy just can not be healthy.



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Reply: 45

PostPosted: June 27, 2005 8:28 AM 

I disagree. I think he does need to see an eye specialist. Besides the different sized field of view, and the different lighting, both pictures look pretty similiar to me.


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Reply: 46

PostPosted: June 27, 2005 3:14 PM 

Inspite of some oddities, like a tipped tip (which once had a tipped shadow...) that now has got a rounded shadow.
I mean, do you know that anyhow light source changes, a tipped tip MUST project a tipped shadow?

But above all, inspite Cydonia Mesa/Face acquires volume!
Geesus, does anyone see that Face on Mars is bigger in newest images?

Once it might be "narrowed" nearly by a square.
Now it may be "narrowed" by a rectangle!

That's clearly visible.
Resolution does not change shapes; it's so damned visible.


Sorry for my bad spelling, but these concepts weren't that easy to write in a foreign language.


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Reply: 47

PostPosted: June 27, 2005 5:42 PM 

"it's so damned visible."

Well - quite clearly it isnt or we'd all agree with you



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Reply: 48

PostPosted: June 27, 2005 11:46 PM 


you're italian, correct?

contact ESA and inquire why there is an embargo on Cydonia images that they have recently taken.

btw, check out the thread that our "moderator" started on the "open" board.

Rolling Eyes

L. Von Lange

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Reply: 49

PostPosted: June 28, 2005 3:01 AM 

I'm confused.

Last night I've made a morph (but it might have been even a simple gif made of two frames only) - at what Favonio claimed in his reply number 46.

1.0 MB videoclip

I don't think at all that thousands of tons of matter could appear in 30 years or so, surrounding a martian mesa in a regular way.
I want to specify: I've been the most accurate I could in aligning the two images; look at the bottom-left crater and at the bottom-right little hill. Alignment is almost perfect and inspite of that the mesa literally "grows" in its dimensions, and I don't think craters, hills or other features of terrain *can* move with the pass of time.
In other words, the "Face" has been clearly enlarged in its "forehead" and in its "chin", as the coloured lines I inserted highilight quite well.

I don't really know what to think except new images are fake and that someone has doctored or created them.
Please someone skeptical reply me, because I can't figure out different scenarios for such a situation.

L. Von Lange

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Reply: 50

PostPosted: June 28, 2005 3:09 AM 

Line 1: "- at what Favonio" --> "- to look at what Favonio"

"little hill" --> "little crater": I've been deceived by the older photo, where the hole's not so clearly noticeable, sorry.

Ludwig Von Lange

Doug Ellison

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Reply: 51

PostPosted: June 28, 2005 4:11 AM 

"contact ESA and inquire why there is an embargo on Cydonia images that they have recently taken."

1) How do you KNOW that they've taken images of Cydonia. It's almost certain that at some point they will, but how do you KNOW that they've done it RECENTLY?

And lets face it - even if they release fantastic 3d colour images of cydonia showing it for what it is, natural features, Favonio will shout 'conspiracy' and Hoagland will JPG them, then blow them up to create features that dont exist Smile



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Reply: 52

PostPosted: June 28, 2005 5:05 AM 


Re: Reply #48 and then #51.

From: [link]

"When will Mars Express HRSC take pictures of the so-called ‘face’ in the Cydonia region?

ESA’s Mars Express orbiter was not in a suitable position to collect images of Cydonia area until late in 2004. Until then, Mars Express could observe closely only southern latitude features. Planetary scientists are interested in Cydonia because it is part of the boundary between highland and lowland areas, and it was planned to map this boundary area during October 2004.

Mars Express did cover this area during orbit 262 but it was not possible to obtain images of high enough quality due to factors such as the swath width at that location, atmospheric distortion and poor resolution. Now, the highland/lowland boundary will be covered in January to February 2005.

When the orbiter arrives over a suitable position in the northern hemisphere, it will be using its High Resolution Stereo Camera in the course of its planned and routine mapping of the surface, but not specifically to study any ‘face-like’ features. The mesas of Cydonia are of interest to planetary scientists, but they are not a priority for observations. These images will be used to look at the geological formations in this region to see where water once flowed, as some scientists think the northern plains are all that is left of an ancient Martian ocean.

Twenty five years ago, NASA's Viking 1 spacecraft was circling Mars, taking photographs of possible landing sites for its twin, Viking 2, when it spotted the shadowy likeness of a human face in the region of the Red Planet called Cydonia. The ‘Face on Mars’ became a popular icon. It has starred in films and appeared in books and magazines for 25 years! Some people thought the ‘face’ is real evidence of life on Mars.

Although most scientists did not believe the face was an alien artifact, photographing Cydonia became a priority for NASA’s Mars Global Surveyor when it arrived at the Red Planet in 1997. In April 1998, Mars Global Surveyor flew over Cydonia for the first time and took a high-resolution photograph, ten times sharper than the original Viking pictures. It revealed a natural landform, there was no alien monument after all.

But not everyone was satisfied, because the camera on board Mars Global Surveyor had to peer through wispy clouds to see the surface. Perhaps, the sceptics said, alien markings were hidden by haze. In 2001, Mars Global Surveyor drew close enough for a second look and captured an extraordinary photograph using maximum resolution. Each pixel in the 2001 image represented 1.5 metres, compared to 43 metres per pixel in the best Viking image from 1976.

The picture showed a feature called a ‘mesa’, like the landforms common in western USA. The Cydonia region is littered with many mesas like this, but which do not look like human heads and they attract little popular attention. Subsequent laser altimetry scans, with height measurements made to within 20 to 30 centimetres, confirm that its shape and all of its dimensions are similar to the other mesas and not exotic in any way."

Hmm, guys, sorry but I got lost at a certain point. He has clearly said that the Face "will be" actually photographated on that Genuary-February period.
Then he has hijacked (I don't know whether voluntarily or not) the main question in order to say a lot of craps on the Face.
For istance, he states that according to "us" - I refer to those who "believe on the Sculpture" - the "haze" prevented the Face to be clearly seen.

Oh man, when will die thos idiot people who tend to join toghether all those who do not think like them.
I am different by Hoagland in what I think of Cydonia.

I believe in something hugely different than Hoagland does about Cydonia newest images.


Then let's move to the most important matter...

I don't know how to express my gratitude to you, Ludwig, for Reply #49, and the wonderful morph you've just provided.
I know how you may feel, but I "blame" you a little, for no one ever seems to be able to stand calmly the fact that who rule over NASA is hiding important truths.
Just accept it, and inspite of confused get enraged, or nervous.
SPREAD that clip among your "friends" everytime you will speak of Cydonia again.

Now, how could be ignored such an evidence on that clip? Inspite they are aligned, the two "mesas" are different in size.
I think someone could now understand what it has always appeared clear to me, even without a morph or a "2-framed" gif.


Doug Ellison

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Reply: 53

PostPosted: June 28, 2005 6:17 AM 

"I am different by Hoagland in what I think of Cydonia."

You think there is artificiality there, yes?

So does Hoagland.

You two would get along well

"Oh man, when will die thos idiot people who tend to join toghether all those who do not think like them."

That's sick, to be honest.



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Reply: 54

PostPosted: June 28, 2005 7:20 AM 

I might appear sick, Doug. I just meant that every person has to be considered separately, with his thoughts.

In fact...

I am different from Hoagland since I do not recognize stupid lion or Sphynx facial appeareance in Face on Mars.
And I think Hoagland is very very very very idiot and anti-scientific when he - or one of his collaborators - takes one of the (doctored) images and, apllying a mirror script, claims symmetry.

Also, I am different from him mainly because it's clear for me that newest images are simply tampered.

Or created "ex-novo".

Has anyone looked at this?
I'm going to spend nights with pop-corns and chips watching it for hours.

I would name that wonderful videoclip EVIDENCE.
Has anyone looked at this and understood what important things it clearly shows?

Doug Ellison

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Reply: 55

PostPosted: June 28, 2005 7:40 AM 

Yes - I have look at THIS.

It is evidence of nothing, and proves nothing.

You have serious issues in your head if you can not correlate these images with one another, they're the same thing under different lighting conditions and different resolutions



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Reply: 56

PostPosted: June 28, 2005 8:27 AM 

It's YOU the one who seems to have serious problems in correlating objects, and particularly their SHAPES.
Lighting conditions do not increase the volume of a 2 kms length "mesa", or hill or whatever you call it.
It is literally "boosted" of several hudred of meters.

It is clearly altered.

Your Reply #55, Doug, hasn't got the scientific "validity" of Reply #49, as you can see that you've said *nothing* supporting your view, you just repeated usual words in front of evidence provided by images comparison.
There is no lighting trick, there is difference.

Or are you going to claim that hundred meters craters have moved in thirty years?
Perhaps, I'd say, martians decided to expand the Face on Mars volume. You know, for funny.

Doug Ellison

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Reply: 57

PostPosted: June 28, 2005 8:44 AM 

So who edited all the new MOC images then - please explain how the conspiracy works.



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Reply: 58

PostPosted: June 28, 2005 9:26 AM 

"please explain how the conspiracy works."


AH AH! Is that one your reply to the evidence of that clip?
Are you saying that I have to explain how a conspirancy works (conspirancy --> read vcabulary definition), otherwise that proof is not valid?

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Today you-guys of this Mars Forum are making me laugh SO OFTEN and SO MUCH!

They're Rocks

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Reply: 59

PostPosted: June 28, 2005 9:35 AM 

But you have offered proof of nothing.

Cydonia is a region of mesas, hills and rocks, as is now known.

Doug Ellison

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Reply: 60

PostPosted: June 28, 2005 9:38 AM 

quite TR - Fav - you have PROVEN NOTHING. You have NO EVIDENCE - you are sitting infront of your PC eating popcorn, infront of a movie that shows a low-res late PM image of a hill, fading into a high res 2pm local image of a hill.

I need to prove nothing Fav - you need to prove that something untoward is going on, and that something untoward COULD go on.

Keep it coming, I like a laugh


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