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They're Rocks


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 9:44 AM 

If NASA really were into conspiracies, and if it could really get away with doctoring photos (and it couldn't), the real incentive would be to doctor photos to show evidence of life! Why? To get more money to send rovers and eventually astronauts to Mars! Thus, if there is a conspiracy, it makes a LOT more sense that the original photo of Cydonia was doctored to make it seem as if there were a face and a pyramid.

But, if course, there is no conspiracy one way or the other. It is Favonio, and not anyone else, who can't stand having his world view shattered. His world view that Cydonia has artificial structures was shattered by the later high-rez photos, and this is what he can't stand. So he covers his eyes with his hands and stamps his feet like a kid and shrieks, "Cover up! Cover up!" Really sad. Assuming, of course, that he isn't just a troll.

Doug Ellison


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 9:53 AM 

I think he's genuine, but so deluded that it appears to be troll-like.

RW however, is just a troll, no one could believe the purple-crayon crap he produces.

Doug

R. Maheras


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 11:06 AM 

By the way, the shadow angle of the Martian "pyramid" is in the opposite direction as the Giza pyramid shadow, meaning it is not pyramid-shaped at all. Rather, the Martian mesa, while pointed at its peak, has one side that is concave -- making it more crescent-shaped than pyramid-shaped.

Favonio


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 11:08 AM 

You know, Doug, you seem to be less "furious" than the first times we approached each other... Smile

Perhaps, I think, some "dark side" of your mind is whispering to you that the mad guy nicknamed Favonio is not so mad at all in his reasoning.

Or prehaps I'm wrong. Smile
_____________________________________________

They're Rocks, you have a very poor view of what aims of power and richness of people might be.
It is a too important and huge question.

We ask in stupor: "Oh, is there anyone out there? Will we discover other planets containing life? Are we alone in universe?"

While a step away from here there was a civilization.
Oh man: MARS, that red point you see on the sky at night, not X3141M23 on X Costellation.

Our neighbourns.

And you don't understand the consequences of such a revelation.

They're Rocks


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 11:17 AM 

You know, debating whether there is a "face" at cydonia is about as stupid as debating whether the earth is flat. No, Favonio, the earth is not flat, and there is no face or ancient civilization on Mars.

I guess the only reason I enter these threads, to the extent that I post at all anymore, is because it digusts me that people like RW and Favonio are intent on ruining whatever small reputation this board might have. It's fine to ignore their stuff, but that doesn't work, either, since they just start multiple new threads filled with their nonsense. It's sad, really, and there is no doubt in my mind that we have lost many good posters, and many others have decided to abstain from posting, because of this lunacy.

Favonio


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 11:39 AM 


>>> By the way, the shadow angle of the Martian "pyramid" is in the opposite direction as the Giza pyramid shadow, meaning it is not pyramid-shaped at all. Rather, the Martian mesa, while pointed at its peak, has one side that is concave -- making it more crescent-shaped than pyramid-shaped.

Make me understand: are you assuming I said that the Face has a pyrmid-like shape?
The pyramids near the Face are not pyramids?

I am not really understanding you.
What are you referring to?

>>> You know, debating whether there is a "face" at cydonia is about as stupid as debating whether the earth is flat. No, Favonio, the earth is not flat, and there is no face or ancient civilization on Mars.

I like your analysis, They're Rocks. As much as previous ones.

>>> is because it digusts me that people like RW and Favonio are intent on ruining whatever small reputation this board might have.

You have got a '800 mentality that would have suited very well with Middle Age period.
You know: reputation, influence are much better things that truth, analysis and debats on points of view.

Many good posters?
For you a good poster is one who says: "They are just rocks. Ban Favonio. Move this thread to atm. They are stupid, they are idiot, they are trolls.
I hate them all".

Ah, and in an anonymous way.

Favonio


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 11:41 AM 

>>> You know, debating whether there is a "face" at cydonia is about as stupid as debating whether the earth is flat. No, Favonio, the earth is not flat, and there is no face or ancient civilization on Mars.

I want to highlight this nonsens.

Why is it stupid?
Why debating on such a thing is "stupid"?

You are really offending real science.

They're Rocks


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 11:44 AM 

Actually, no, I have never posted anonymously, though on occasion I have posted under different names.

As any mature person knows, this is a stupid debate. It is settled. We have definitive proof, in the form of high-resolution imagery that cannot be faked, that the "face" is an ordinary mesa, and the "pyramids" are pointy hills.

It is fascinating to watch Favonio deny reality, and then claim others are denying it. There is something about his mindset that makes me wonder if he is not in the grip of some as yet unidentified medical disorder, like "artificialitis obsessive-compulsive behavior."

It's also hilarous to watch you, the master of the ad hom (and you probably still haven't bothered to find out what that is) criticize the posting style of others.

Tiffany


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 1:59 PM 

Just a question... I quickly looked through the Mars Express photo's at ESA and noticed they have not imaged Cydonia... is there a reason for this? Not been in the right position yet? Wouldn't it be nice to see some color pictures from the area?

Not that I believe they are artificial... but they are interesting formations in their own respects... and being very close to a possible "shoreline"... or have I been reading too much Hoagland? javascript:emoticon(' Very Happy ')

They're Rocks


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 2:20 PM 

Too much Hoagland, maybe.

BTW, Hoagland doesn't believe his own claims. He is playing people for suckers. Why? Because he makes money off of it!

Of course, if ESA ever does image Cydonia, and returns the same photos as NASA, Favonio will simply charge that they are in on the conspiracy. There is no reasoning with someone like that.

Nix


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 4:28 PM 

He is a complete idiot. End of story. 99% of the people that read his crap know this.
He doesn't realize it though, good for him of course. He offended people from the minute he came in here. He's arrogant, shows now respect for anything or anybody.
He is the kind of person that only likes to hear/see himself talk.

Nix


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 5:08 PM 

and to follow up on They're ROCKS (they are Laughing ); The only reason I comment on Fav is because I also ignored him at first but it doesn't help. He is also losing it as obvious from his latest posts, and it ain't nothin' to do with his problems in 'expressing' himself in English, that excuse don't do it anymore. Take this line;

"You know: reputation, influence are much better things that truth, analysis and debats on points of view."

Now what does it mean? I mean, this is such nonsense...whatever he is on I want it for when I get old, and bored Laughing

Then this one;

"Perhaps, I think, some "dark side" of your mind is whispering to you that the mad guy nicknamed Favonio is not so mad at all in his reasoning."

Is this a slip?

Laughing Laughing

Nix


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 5:17 PM 

one more thing, lets be positive too for a change, the good thing about Fav is that he is the kind of person that makes one feel good about himself, being sane and all.
Laughing

Doug Ellison


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PostPosted: June 22, 2005 5:59 PM 

"Or prehaps I'm wrong."

Yup Fav - that just above covers it.

Doug

Doug Ellison


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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 11:04 AM 

A set of IR images of Cydonia - and thus ASU imagery, NOT Malin imagery

Doug

Rinus


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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 6:37 PM 

Again, I plead for the sake of any scientific standard: everyone do not react to this guy's postings anymore. It's not worth it, and the focus is turning away from the real reason why this forum exists!

Nix


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PostPosted: June 24, 2005 12:22 PM 

You sure have a point Rinus, one I made myself a while ago. I was surprised to see that ignoring did not really help, IMO.
Secondly someone is always going to comment and they feed on whatever they can get (see they're even a different species to me Laughing ) No seriously, when they are ignored they launch a new thread on rabbits and the like every hour, go insult people and make comments of which some imply that NASA/JPL/...is lying, holding back imagery, ...and THAT I think needs to be defended...cuz it's bull..
But in a way I do agree with you its just that they must be stopped in bringing out a message to people (that are new to astronomy/interest in Mars) that is full of nonsense.
Ah well, they are proven wrong every single time and I guess most people realize that.

Nico

Favonio


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PostPosted: June 25, 2005 10:17 AM 

Just to highlight the "Fort" on the original Viking image.

Zoomed, rotated 90° "rightward":

Yes, it is highly zoomed.
Insult me.

I have no problem with high zooms and recognize original objects in them.

(you haven't too, when we speak of rocks only, but suddenly can't accept zooms when we speak of artificiality or fossils)

Walls are clearly visible.
And that sort of "panel", at the top of the structure.

Bye.

They're Rocks


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PostPosted: June 25, 2005 12:33 PM 

"Insult me."

OK.

You're an idiot.

For those who are not idiots -- as Favonio clearly cannot grasp the point -- when you blow up photos like this, you introduce jpeg artifacts that distort the photo to the point where it is worthless. Also, Favonio cannot seem to grasp that these are low-resolution photos to begin with, in which details are smeared together (a phenomenon that frequently produces illusions that things are, for example, straight, when they're not).

The later, high-resolution photos reveal everything at Cydonia to be a bunch of ordinary rocks.

Too bad, Favonio.

moxy


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PostPosted: June 25, 2005 12:56 PM 

we haven't seen MEX images.

(and they have imaged the area)

That should put to rest the "controversy".

where are they?

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