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Joe Smith


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PostPosted: April 22, 2017 10:13 PM 

Stunning,,, got anymore?

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: April 23, 2017 3:25 PM 

About the timing of finding these important items in the record, I have damages which are very obvious or unexpected causing delays or loss of records.
The past week, I found three burglaries in two days, with the recovery of only one tablet at one of three different locations where the nearly simultaneous attacks were staged. I was tracked and all my usual locations were used to do damage to me.
At the time I found the tubular structures in #79, the mainboard on the entirely new computer literally exploded, and I lost the image number.
This week, lost a microscope, and accessories, laptops, tools and much more. Two weeks past I was attacked at a fast food location where I was posting. The US is becoming a dangerous nation.
I did not see any other similar items in the color image, and we should review all gypsum terrain for any other examples. They are quite large, but near the resolution limits, so only additional images will clear any mystery.
It is necessary to be using 64 bit software and good graphics. These tablets I carry around will not perform well for this. About 'PSP to ESP' transition timing, 2009-2010.
I lost a good job just after finding this, and that was well crafted as well.
I have time now, if I can maintain my concentration on this.
Pleased to hear from you, Joe.

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: April 23, 2017 6:26 PM 

I understand the problem partly, now. The last entry is not present yet, after a few hours, so here is an answer to the entry I made in my name.
This is the source for the tubular structures, at times embedded in solid CO2 ice or water ice. High pressure gas available to whatever it is as a collection of tubules setting on the dune and the gypsum interdune material exposed. I'll take another close look at these, with a little tablet and see what they look like. 32 bit software.

http://www.uahirise.org/PSP_010546_2615

The prior 'erect cone' was at similar timing, but they didn't start using the '0900' designation series postscript until after PSP images. It will take a little longer for that one.

Near the center, just above the ice,...

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: April 23, 2017 10:03 PM 

2 posts backed up, here is the same view from a tablet, 32 bit software.
010546_2615_IRB

http://imageshack.com/a/img924/7691/UnAr1n.gif

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: April 23, 2017 10:04 PM 

John Radogno


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PostPosted: April 24, 2017 10:39 AM 

Dana,
These are much better pictures! Very interesting land and ice forms. The circular depression in #85 is interesting because fault leading away from it goes up hill and then down on the otherside. Is this all ice?

Lin Liangtai


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PostPosted: April 26, 2017 4:08 AM 

Wikipedia article claims ooids are formed geologically:
[link]

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: May 1, 2017 1:18 PM 

The lower portion of 010546_2615 is clouded with blue, which is claimed to be CO2 ice, but the middle to upper section appears free on casual looking. I find heavy blue along particulates even in the upper section. Slides large and small are common. The slides are often dark at the lower end, so perhaps new and an active area. There are small circular features of dark 'brown' false color particulates in spots, similar to the tubule shapes. I have been told the tubes are flat and not 3D elevated above ground, but they cast an obvious shadow on the claimed gypsum bright solids. The dark central cores are routine at that spot, and the shorter circular rings which are not tubes, found at other locations in the image, do not have a thick wall, but are thin walled, with probable open cores setting on gypsum. Whether the dark open tubes and the rings are the same feature type is open. Below is a conical pitted item found along a small rift, setting on the rift, with a noticeable smoother area around the cone. The cone pit extends to the rift depression or below. Detail isn't possible beyond that shown. The area of bright material shows patterned ground, akin to the fissured material Kye was discussing at the Gale Curiosity passage recently. Kye suggested something active or unseen underway enlarging or active along the dune particulates at the fissures. This view appears equally very recently active.
The cone shape covers a fissure right at the accumulating side of the large dark dune. The fissure is recent enough to be clear of debris, and the cone is riding that circumstance. The cone is 'brown' false color, not blue tinted. The central pit is very open and similar in volume to the cone volume. The area from the cone to the bottom of the image frame is lacking in blue color.
All this is IRB false color.
There are at least three fissures arising along the bright patterned ground mass. The smallest at the right, near center of image frame has a small possible brown cone forming or residual. Whether these are active along fault or cold fissure formation, or possibly actively emitting a product, the co-incidence again suggests active geology, hydrology, or possible life like processes. I can't argue the cold involved, only suggest the obvious.
The image I prepared is not good, but any closer view breaks down.
Why cones on solids with only a shallow particulate base? Why an active cone of differing color on top of a fissure? Why no blue ice along the fissure below the cone?
Curiously, the wind seems to blow towards the top right of the image here, so the smoother ground and lack of blue is opposing the direction of the wind on the dune tops. Also the fissure seems to originate under the dune, with partial associated fissures on the dune above the cone.
Perhaps this is destined to be a tubule free-standing, or it is related to emissions as a spider type feature not seen commonly in this HiRISE original?
Active smoothing of terrain ripple patterns and removal of ice by a cause in this season?

Same original as the tubular structures, a little higher in the image and further from the solid blue ice layer.
If the particulates are active, or if the active process is dependent upon the removal and alteration of solid CO2 ice, is that geology, sublimation by a cause locally, or is there activity below the surface which could produce heat or metabolic conversion? Acids to salts, gas from deep heat, heated water, other active chemistry, life perhaps?

Are the spheroidal oiites active below the surface, or are the dark dunes the product of the activity? Are the fissures active as well?

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: May 4, 2017 4:11 PM 

This is more than is necessary to display the faint lighting and geometry of the dune, in relationship to the pair of pits along the fissures at the margins of the bright solid material between dark dunes. Hopefully all who have difficulty seeing the color and lighting domains can see the matching alteration and order of the bright material at the related patterned shapes. Additionally, the slides, RSL, troughs or fissures, are obviously directly interactive with the radiation, temperature, and energy domains defined by the lighting and dune formation aspects.
This may appear to be a simple solution to the scene, but it only explains the conditions of the active aspects, not the precise cause and effect processes. Additional active components may be missing. The possibility that subsurface activity may be present, and the cause of two pits along troughs does not negate possible life and active chemistry not clearly seen.
The bright solids between dunes builds along slides and RSL in the dunes, additional to the seeming flatter interdune open exposures. Probably ice or active compound chemistry, seasonally altered by the dune faces, the bright material shows the short term active processes dominate the dark or gypsum dunes in the locale and probably the entire North circumpolar region. Either Spiders or active pitted cones are the product of short seasonal alterations and are the most active of features in this scene. There is no proof of liquids, but gas and patterned solids are seasonally controlled.
HiRISE 010546_2615_IRB_nomap.JP2
http://www.uahirise.org/PSP_010546_2615

In the second image, if you look at the small cone, there is a arc in the bright material to the right. The far right endpoint, a tone mapped 'domain', is the location of the smaller second pit. There is no resolvable cone, only a tiny dark pit at the departure of the trough from the bright material. The co-incidence of the two pits along a single tone arc, and the fissures at the limits of surface particulates versus bright solids, gives a pattern of activity.
The long fissure along the tone limit arc on the left shows a activation-formation aspect.
There are two pairs of solids 'domains', adjacent, which I presume shows limits of lighting during current seasons.
Having some experience with bright reflective roofing in confined inside angle walls, I can ascertain that the temperature and radiation would be far greater along the combined dune face combination zones indicated by the various triangular and arc 'domains'.
Any chemistry, sublimation, or other mineralogy or life would be enhanced if energy were required. On a roof, the temperature may be 120-150 degrees enhanced, when open sunlight would be about 100 degrees. Mars differences would be unique.
Is temperature the only cause of the pitted cone and smaller pit?
Possibly this is the only example of this active zone in the IRB image. Possibly this is not the specific cause of the pits, but the combined factors seem dominant. Would the added energy bring the pits to near water ice or brine melt-vaporization temperature during this summer scene?
Possibly these are not related to Lin's suggestion of organic activity, but the activity present is seasonal and short term relating dune faces, ices, and elimination of ices, trough formation, and patterned ground of solids. Is the bright material qualified as a solid?

Other GIF and PNG views available. I produced these to impress those who miss the crystalline and faint aspects of scenes. The original images show all these details presented.

danajohnson0


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PostPosted: May 4, 2017 11:26 PM 

This is more than is necessary to display the faint lighting and geometry of the dune, in relationship to the pair of pits along the fissures at the margins of the bright solid material between dark dunes. Hopefully all who have difficulty seeing the color and lighting domains can see the matching alteration and order of the bright material at the related patterned shapes. Additionally, the slides, RSL, troughs or fissures, are obviously directly interactive with the radiation, temperature, and energy domains defined by the lighting and dune formation aspects.
This may appear to be a simple solution to the scene, but it only explains the conditions of the active aspects, not the precise cause and effect processes. Additional active components may be missing. The possibility that subsurface activity may be present, and the cause of two pits along troughs does not negate possible life and active chemistry not clearly seen.
The bright solids between dunes builds along slides and RSL in the dunes, additional to the seeming flatter interdune open exposures. Probably ice or active compound chemistry, seasonally altered by the dune faces, the bright material shows the short term active processes dominate the dark or gypsum dunes in the locale and probably the entire North circumpolar region. Either Spiders or active pitted cones are the product of short seasonal alterations and are the most active of features in this scene. There is no proof of liquids, but gas and patterned solids are seasonally controlled.
HiRISE 010546_2615_IRB_nomap.JP2
http://www.uahirise.org/PSP_010546_2615

In the second image, if you look at the small cone, there is a arc in the bright material to the right. The far right endpoint, a tone mapped 'domain', is the location of the smaller second pit. There is no resolvable cone, only a tiny dark pit at the departure of the trough from the bright material. The co-incidence of the two pits along a single tone arc, and the fissures at the limits of surface particulates versus bright solids, gives a pattern of activity.
The long fissure along the tone limit arc on the left shows a activation-formation aspect.
There are two pairs of solids 'domains', adjacent, which I presume shows limits of lighting during current seasons.
Having some experience with bright reflective roofing in confined inside angle walls, I can ascertain that the temperature and radiation would be far greater along the combined dune face combination zones indicated by the various triangular and arc 'domains'.
Any chemistry, sublimation, or other mineralogy or life would be enhanced if energy were required. On a roof, the temperature may be 120-150 degrees enhanced, when open sunlight would be about 100 degrees. Mars differences would be unique.
Is temperature the only cause of the pitted cone and smaller pit?
Possibly this is the only example of this active zone in the IRB image. Possibly this is not the specific cause of the pits, but the combined factors seem dominant. Would the added energy bring the pits to near water ice or brine melt-vaporization temperature during this summer scene?
Possibly these are not related to Lin's suggestion of organic activity, but the activity present is seasonal and short term relating dune faces, ices, and elimination of ices, trough formation, and patterned ground of solids. Is the bright material qualified as a solid?

Other GIF and PNG views available. I produced these to impress those who miss the crystalline and faint aspects of scenes. The original images show all these details presented.

Also posted this to a 'timed out' response, yet hours later and several cycling and cache removals no sign of the post. Sure it's here somewhere.

Joe Smith


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PostPosted: May 5, 2017 9:06 AM 

Fascinating Dana!.... along with your description!!

Joe Smith


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PostPosted: May 5, 2017 9:18 AM 

Fascinating Dana!.. with your exclamation!

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: May 6, 2017 8:44 AM 

What causes pitted cones and pits along the fissures sources?
Why no CRISM answers about the bright material chemistry?
WHY ARE 'DOMAINS' ACTIVE?

Lin Liangtai


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PostPosted: May 8, 2017 5:12 AM 

Martian ooids or oolite formed right on "sand ripple":
[link]

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: May 11, 2017 11:20 PM 

Lin Liangtai, I know you believe the two planets are distinct in life and sources, but this new article indicates a very early timing for 'land based life' on Earth. The reference to 'bubbles' in the old solids, and 'micro-stromatolites' may be a significant finding.
What timing would you attach to these hot springs records?
Microbial bubbles as a source for organic records in spherical fill possibly?

[link]

Lin Liangtai


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PostPosted: May 12, 2017 12:40 AM 

I am not sure about "the two planets are distinct in life and sources".
I am not sure about the 'bubbles', although I have seen numerous look-alikes in numerous micrographs.
I am not sure about the ages of the "bubbles". Note that material in the micrometer sizes can easily get into rocks through holes in the rocks.
It takes a lot of time to study the article itself. By the way, I studied remains of red blood cells that looked like "bubbles".

Lin Liangtai


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PostPosted: May 12, 2017 8:58 AM 

Sorry, the link in reply 94 should be this one:
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Lin Liangtai


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PostPosted: May 14, 2017 5:12 AM 

Plaster of Paris found all over Mars:
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Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: May 18, 2017 9:14 PM 

Interesting link problems with both our entries. Imgsafe.org was claimed as 'down' but many sites are using images from the main address successfully. In the past a bandwidth limit unpublished was issued at times. Had problems with your last posts. An Icarus report claiming heavy rain erosion across Mars, not a new piece of information, but additional claims of a rain scoured surface in the past as we can see by overlaying the Earth climate cloud cover active movie on a terrain view of Mars. Identical landscape terrain erosion showing precise matching of the atmospherics of both planets during the rainfall capable period whatever the timing for Mars.
I suppose the writing of the story will last throughout our lifetimes.

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: May 18, 2017 9:17 PM 

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