Origin of Life on Mars? - Page 16

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Faceless


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PostPosted: April 13, 2018 10:22 AM 

Mars air can be different from the air within Martian meteorites:
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Faceless


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PostPosted: April 21, 2018 6:04 AM 

Re reply 301, sorry, I am not yet sure about the complete composition of Mars air.
However, I am sure there are numerous ooids on Vera Rubin Ridge, Mars:
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Faceless


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PostPosted: May 13, 2018 6:25 AM 

Is this a rock on Mars?

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John Radogno


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PostPosted: May 13, 2018 4:57 PM 

Faceless, Re: 303 we discussed this about a year or so ago. These are perfectly natural rocks just like all the others we see on Mars.

Here are some samples from Earth:

But for the record, it is not necessary to find the same rock on Earth as we find on Mars, a different planet with extremely different conditions. So it is expected to see rock forms on Mars that we will never see on Earth.

Faceless


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PostPosted: May 14, 2018 12:38 AM 

Re reply 304, how do you know the first example is a rock?

Faceless


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PostPosted: May 14, 2018 8:11 AM 

John, re reply 304, your photos do not show rocks:
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Faceless


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PostPosted: May 16, 2018 6:07 AM 

Wikipedia:The Coyote Buttes area is an exposure of cross-bedded aeolian Jurassic Navajo Sandstone.
However, I found many ancient artifacts in the Coyote Buttes' "aeolian sandstone":
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John Radogno


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PostPosted: May 16, 2018 9:11 AM 

Faceless, I am sorry but all of what you are showing are just natural rocks. Straight lines and 90% angles are very common in nature and we have gone over these issues in the past.

Layers form on top of layers. They can split in to very thin layers.

This can give you an example of how some of the cross lines form:

This is called a dyke:

Joe Smith


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PostPosted: May 16, 2018 10:19 PM 

very very nice examples,,,,,, thanks john

Faceless


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PostPosted: May 18, 2018 6:43 AM 

John, re reply 304, how do you know they are rocks?
Re reply 308, how do you know they are rocks?
Do you have details for the photos, such as sources,descriptions, context,location, age,etc.
Ooids and many other materials were thought to be geological.

John Radogno


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PostPosted: May 18, 2018 10:17 AM 

Faceless, There is no mystery about how sedimentary rocks form, the science is well established. You can tell by just looking at them. But it might help if you were to take some classes in geology. When you still believed that columnar basalt was made by ancient aliens, I gave you a book's worth in information to help you understand why your fantasy was not true. I am not going to waste my time giving you a long dragged out geology lesson again. You have admitted to believing in an ancient alien fantasy. I have good reason to suspect that when you look at rocks you see alien artifacts due to having a confirmation bias and that you see what you want to see rather than the reality before you. Remember when you chose the image below to prove that to prove that columnar basalt did not have horizontal cracks and everybody in the world could see the that there were hundreds of horizontal cracks but you alone could see none:

This was an extreme an example of confirmation bias and you know you were obviously wrong, but of course you would not admit it, you would not thank my for helping you understand the geology the goes with it. I put in a lot of time and effort to help you Faceless/Lin, I am not going to do that again.

Faceless


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PostPosted: May 20, 2018 5:23 AM 

John, re reply 311, you stated in the past that I produced fake news. It is you, not me, that produced fake news. I did not say "columnar basalt" was made by aliens.
"Columnar basalt" of Pipe Organ at the Giant's Causeway show horizontal lines:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/fossil_lin/15354638013/
But "columnar basalt" at Devil's Postpile does not show horizontal lines:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devils_Postpile_National_Monument#/media/File Very Happy evils_Postpile_column_on_side-750px.jpg

Faceless


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PostPosted: May 20, 2018 5:39 AM 

Sorry, re reply 312, photo for devils postpile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devils_Postpile_National_Monument#/media/File Very Happy evils_Postpile_column_on_side-750px.jpg

It's the sixth figure in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devils_Postpile_National_Monument

John Radogno


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PostPosted: May 20, 2018 9:45 AM 

Faceless, you specifically selected the image in #311 to claim there were no horizontal lines but they are all over the place. That is an indisputable fact. The horizontal lines are not uniform in length. But the cooling process of the molten basalt always happens in the same way, separating into smaller packets. All the images in your Devils_Postpile links show the lines. The 6th image, is a broken piece of much smaller width and longer length. It is broken off at such a line. All of the columns around the world have the same general structure but they also have individual variances. Most are not perfectly hexagonal for example. One thing I know from our original posts about Columnar Basalt is that in the beginning you really knew next to nothing about the geological processes that go into these structures. Now you know and have no excuse to beat the dead horse. Yet in the face of the entire scientific community who have studied these things extensively you want to say that a rock is not a rock. That is just crazy. I remember now, you did not mean ancient aliens, you meant ancient humans who did not exist because many of the older columns were formed before humans existed. The fossil record is solid evidence. BTW, Basalt Columns also exist on Mars.

Faceless


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PostPosted: May 20, 2018 10:49 AM 

"Columnar basalt" is not purely geological, as evidenced in
https://www.flickr.com/photos/fossil_lin/16415031036/in/album-72157651656056515/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/fossil_lin/16775178946/in/album-72157651656056515/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/fossil_lin/16090392348/in/album-72157651656056515/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/fossil_lin/15354638013/in/album-72157651656056515/
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Pipe Organ at the Giant's Causeway has numerous horizontal lines. The 6th image for Devils' Postpile has few if any horizontal lines. Can't you see the difference? Numerous "columnar basalt" do not show distinctive, numerous horizontal lines like those of Pipe Organ at Giant's Causeway. Anyway, with or without horizontal lines, "columnar basalt" was man-made.
Anyway, please use arrows to mark the horizontal lines that you see "all over the place" in reply 311 and in reply 313. To repeat, horizontal lines are not the sole criterion for man-made columns.

John Radogno


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PostPosted: May 20, 2018 11:37 PM 

Ha, that's funny! There is not enough room to put in arrows to identify all of the horizontal lines in #311. You honestly can't see them? I already explained how the horizontal lines don't always line at corners (with graphics) and how sometimes the lines have been smeared and don't show very well on the outside, but if you cut the columns open they are always there on the inside.
I do not want to go backwards. I have in the past given you all the details about how the columns are geologically formed. I have already answered the questions you are posing again. You don't seem to have any knowledge of the huge amount of scientific evidence there is for this geology. The internal structures of these columns can not possibly be reproduced by artificial means. They need the strength, press, and heat of a huge volcanic mass to form. The internal structures have been studied with electron microscopes to explore their mineralogy, and I gave you a brief description of how they can form, how these horizontal divisions and internal cross strata structures are formed by contraction due to cooling and heat differentials (actually a bit more complicated than just that).

You did not know about any of this science until I gave you the
information but you still want to insist you know more about columnar basalt than all of the geologists in world? Really? Is it an ego thing?

I already pointed out that your claim of hundreds of millions of years of human occupation on all continents of the globe, manually building these structures would have left a huge imprint, but there is nothing at all to evidence it. I have also covered the reasons why the fossil record of hominids is so well documented. The truth about this is actually far more interesting than a made up fantasy.

Faceless, I have respect for the work you do with Ooids. It is possible that many of the Ooids you have found are actually started with biogenic fragment on an ancient Mars. I know you have very good analytical skills. Your belief system may be handicapping you. Once a person is set on a certain belief, they are automatically cutting themselves off from all other options. In my humble opinion it is better to be an unsure seeker than a die-hard positive believer. But it is like you are brainwashed into this fantasy of humans living hundreds of millions of years ago in a make believe world that just does not exist, and the only use of your skills is wasted in trying to confirm your fantasy when instead you could be discovering some real science that we can all be helped by.

Joe Smith


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PostPosted: May 21, 2018 10:34 AM 

very well spoken John

Faceless


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PostPosted: May 21, 2018 11:28 AM 

Re 316, "you could be discovering some real science that we can all be helped by."
How about the following:
E=mC2 is incomplete. The complete equation is E=m (C +/- theta)2. Theta stands for a variant. Light passes through different material at different speeds. Different kinds of material resist light differently. Theta stands for that difference.

Nuclear waste is produced because of an incomplete equation that is used in the production of nuclear energy. That incomplete equation is E=mC2. So, incomplete E=mC2 leads to nuclear waste.

John Radogno


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PostPosted: May 21, 2018 12:00 PM 

Faceless,
RE: 318 That is a very interesting idea. I am not sure how it effects nuclear waste but it is worth looking into.

Faceless


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PostPosted: May 23, 2018 12:25 AM 

Re reply 318, I forgot to mention that ancient people on Earth used nuclear energy "directly", not electricity derived from nuclear power.

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