Origin of Life on Mars? - Page 12

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Barsoomer


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PostPosted: October 10, 2017 10:19 PM 

ancient moon atmosphere

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: October 12, 2017 11:59 PM 

There is such a difference when comparing the current and early atmospheres and water content of solar system bodies. We still are estimating most. No information on subsurface water and ice table content for most, with Mars the best studied to date.
We think of the similarities between those that might exhibit life, but find differences predominating.
Some aspects of Mars and Earth will be resolved in our lifetimes.
To strengthen my description of the Earth as a system in 3D exhibiting information which is integrated and elaborate, with life a detail within that system, this is another view of the very active earthquake-tectonics activity pattern which shows a function process controlling our surface conditions. Life is surviving this system of information display over billions of years.

A anigif of the weeks total of earthquakes for 19/01/2017 to 10/08/2017, first the near side hemisphere view, then the sum of both hemispheres during the week at all magnitudes. The two globe margins have opposed lobes of activity left and right with a singular linear pattern viewed between them across the Earths surface. Even the curvature and obvious symmetry of the linear pattern is clear.
We are receiving a information system communication.

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/7725/zNjpHb.gif

Is the information required for the maintenance of life?

Faceless


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PostPosted: October 17, 2017 8:45 AM 

Nice article about trace fossils and biosignatures for astrobiology: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317267394_Organism-substrate_interactions_and_astrobiology_Potential_models_and_methods

Faceless


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PostPosted: October 18, 2017 4:52 AM 

All stars/planets were formed by God:
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John Radogno


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PostPosted: October 18, 2017 9:42 AM 

Sorry, but humans do know how stars and planets form into round shapes. It is called gravity. At any rate, this is a science blog.

Faceless


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PostPosted: October 25, 2017 4:44 AM 

Are these concretions or stone sculptures?
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Faceless


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PostPosted: October 26, 2017 7:29 AM 

Theory of evolution falsified again by 374-million-year-old tree that was more complex than today's trees:
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danajohnson0


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PostPosted: October 27, 2017 12:30 AM 

Barsoomer, referencing your #221 about the early lunar atmosphere, I find continuity in that by observing the more recent craters which have patterns of pits beyond the rims, apparently produced by gas releases or melting of volatiles after crater formation. A gas locally would substitute for possible liquid or semi-liquid. The ice on the Moon might be a good place to search for distant transport of life.
John, reference #223, as we are not explaining gravity as yet, but finding it a pattern of mathematics, I would explain life as a process of physics following math patterns.

I showed the math patterns in the 3D geomorphology as a pattern process similar to the long term expression of life observed on the surface of the sphere.

For some reason known only to Mark Zuckerburg and a few employees of Facebook I have been locked out of my account and it is now "disabled". Has anyone else here found that problem here? I received no email notices,
but was presented with demands for detailed bank account info, vehicle registrations, and social security numbers and additional ID phishing particulars. Is this a large scale phishing mechanism underway as a result of current politics?
Zuckerburg did give a public promise advising of an ID mechanism prior to the action.

Faceless


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PostPosted: October 28, 2017 11:26 PM 

Recently found: human teeth of 9.7 million years ago: http://bgr.com/2017/10/20/human-history-fossil-teeth-germany-discovery/

John Radogno


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PostPosted: October 29, 2017 10:44 AM 

The 9.7 million old teeth has been identified. One is from a pliopithecoid, an early primate, the other from a hoofed, cud-chewing mammal. As Monte McCrossin at New Mexico State University says, "Sadly, this discovery isn't at all what it claims to be. It has nothing whatsoever to do with human evolution."
BTW, it also has nothing to do with the Mars Rover Blog and Forum. Reply #227 is also a mistake in that it has nothing to do with proving or disproving evolution. Evolution is about adapting to an environment. We see a lot of complex development over time but in some cases the adaptation is a simplification, such as with fish and some borrowing mammals that adapt to living in total darkness will lose there eyes over generations. Island "dwarfism is another example. Homo Floresiensis at about one third the size of contemporary humans may be an example of this as well as the animal it hunted, the stegodon, a pygmy elephant. More research needs to done on Home Floresiensis to be sure, but there are many examples of "island dwarfism" around the world. It would not be right to call it de-evolution, because, again, evolution is about adaptation. That being said, I don't know why you are posting this stuff on a Mars Blog.

Faceless


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PostPosted: October 31, 2017 9:43 AM 

Carboniferous human femur is not decades old:
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Faceless


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PostPosted: November 6, 2017 12:54 AM 

Is there a Mars Hoax?
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Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: November 6, 2017 11:33 PM 

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life possible with simple processes, whether cultured or natural. Another suggestive study.

No response from Facebook yet upon my complaints about unexplained disabling of my account. I seldom login and seldom post.
It matches other odd unexplained disappearances of other website accounts I have experienced the past couple years.
A lack of customer service proper conduct.

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: November 14, 2017 9:15 PM 

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Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: November 17, 2017 9:52 AM 

I have shown in other topics the full Earth weather yearly pattern overlain on the Mars globe, with detailed matches of geology features on Mars to Earth's weather patterns, so here is the 20 year Earth weather pattern, as yet without an a geology base map of Mars. Will the result show any match over time if applied? Is life and desertification a matching process over longer time periods?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nasa-time-lapse-video-earth-20-years/

Is weather so differing in base figures a match in circulation patterns with differing axis orientation? Is the albedo matching and geology feature view any logical reason to expect life would be following the latitudinal changes, or would adaptive or transplanted life be in preference of local liquids versus stable ice and local humidity?
Interesting Earth view seems to show the lesser ice results in increased green area total with movement of desert appearance borders.
Would Mars life prefer icy conditions?

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: November 22, 2017 11:09 AM 

Paraphrase from,:

" As William Shakespeare wrote over 400 years ago:
And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

"
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Faceless


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PostPosted: November 23, 2017 2:51 AM 

Past life discovered on Mars?
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Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: November 23, 2017 9:22 AM 

Possibly the deposits lead to biology influenced or mediated eruptive processes as suggested might have occured at regions on Mars?
On Earth, in the Arctic sea,
Artic ice presence mediated by salt layers mixing with the ice suggested here.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6335/285

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: November 23, 2017 1:10 PM 

For some reason I am not being allowed to post content again, ' corrupt character data ' statement.

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: November 23, 2017 1:16 PM 

One of the links is protected or erroneous perhaps, my #238 referenced the lower temps for calcite gas release in Faceless' post, and #239 is below, in brackets, if it helps,

[It is always interesting to study the details of persons thinking and assumptions when dealing with partial information sources. We have professionals studying these areas of prediction and vague minimum information content.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/11/scientist-quashing-leading-theory-liquid-water-mars-he-still-thinks-life-could-exist

Here McEwen states 'honey is a liquid'. Referring to a question of the RSL as a source for liquid water for life, he says " It’s very salty water. That makes it challenging for life as we know it. Honey is a good example of that. Honey is a liquid—it’s mostly water and yet it never spoils. " Science, 11/22/2017, news

This source explains honey is a colloid varying by type,
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120806034538AAyeipN

Salt brine and sea water described here as a multiple system of 'ices, solutes of many types, and colloids such as algae',
https://books.google.com/books?id=-7HzDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=is+salt+brine+a+colloid&source=bl&ots=U9bOYbhLVa&sig=K8OqSt9KYpJF0_eBBwHAGHgPs2U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjErLjSlNXXAhVkUd8KHXbTAxcQ6AEISDAG#v=onepage&q=is%20salt%20brine%20a%20colloid&f=false

Also described here as a system of water, solutes or solutions, colloids including bacterium and micro algae, with very high percentages of minerals; chemicals and biota mixed.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16948432

Why would we ignore the obvious science and suspect that a claim of liquid is simply a liquid flowing over a particulate layer of solids?

The care intended is clear, but the science tends to be very narrow when applied to the 'other' planet.

As a system of varied content and with Earth's examples as a guide, any flow on Mars would be similarly complex and more than a 'thin or thick liquid'.
Iron based brine would be concentrated on Mars as a cold conditioned system additionally, and it was the iron salts suggested which were used to suggest liquid content in the RSL.
Why such a careful angling of the anti-bacterial content of honey as a head turner in the questions and answers?
Why suggest >27* slopes do not augment frost activity of thin film surface motion when low volume frost would tend to sublimate, or Why do persons still expect that life does not exist in ices and dense brine?]

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