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Barsoomer


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PostPosted: December 16, 2015 1:00 AM 

https://agu.confex.com/agu/fm15/meetingapp.cgi/Session/9155

MSL session at the AGU annual meeting.

zoost


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PostPosted: December 16, 2015 5:01 AM 

With regard to the "he egg-shaped vein-like feature" #1120

We have seen mud bubbles before, this could also be one

LWS


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PostPosted: December 16, 2015 7:50 AM 

Zoost;

What are mud bubbles? and where did we see them before on Mars? and on what scale? and did they exude from under rocks?

Winston

Barsoomer


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PostPosted: December 16, 2015 8:46 PM 

agu.confex.com/agu/fm15/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/85117

Abstract on mud bubbles at the AGU meeting now in progress.

LWS


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PostPosted: December 16, 2015 9:34 PM 

Barsoomer;

Thanks for the info on mud bubbles.

However, the image presented by AZ-Dave appears to be quite different to the mud bubbles described in the paper and may have a quite different etiology. AZ-Dave's egg is somewhat jagged, not made of mudstone (It looks like the usual Vein structure) and is singular in occurrence. In addition it has a blob in it, not air.

There have been many examples of "mud bubbles" seen in the rover images over time that are as described at the AGU meeting. I was however interpreting them as possibly fossil spore bodies primarily because of the presence in many of tiny holes at the tops which in some fungi are the holes through which the tiny spores are dispersed and also there are some examples of them occurring on what looks like petrified vegetal material.

There are also some examples in the recent marathon valley MI images where fully enclosed "mud bubbles" have had their tops removed by the Oppy brush leaving numerous small bodies on the surface of the rocks. Why these mud bubbles be apparently filled with mini spheroids is, I think, a fair question.

Winston

AZ-Dave


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PostPosted: December 18, 2015 11:04 AM 

And the reason I dont post much of anything on the "official" forums...they really try their best to condescend people:

QUOTE (Arizona Dave @ Dec 16 2015, 07:20 PM) *
other dunes with significantly different albedo

Which other dunes do you mean? Direction of solar illumination and phase angle has a big effect on the brightness of these dunes.


And its why the entire scientific world needs a good shake-up...these people are arrogant, pompous and close-minded...

What "other" dunes....Oh just ALL of them that Curi has passed until now...thats all...so I should add "BLIND" to the list of attributes the "professionals" exhibit.

Back to the egg-shaped feature - I agree, its not a blob, it really appears to be a completely different tone of soil, dark, and it doesnt even appear raised, just like a patch of wet soil...or that area has a different composition...but then would have to ask "how and why"

LWS


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PostPosted: December 20, 2015 8:30 PM 

AZ-Dave

.... and they still deny there is any water in the soil!

Today's releases

Winston

LWS


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PostPosted: December 20, 2015 8:31 PM 


Paul Scott Anderson


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PostPosted: December 20, 2015 10:17 PM 

Another interesting oval pebble (?) with an oval hole in it from sol 1185.

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Paul Scott Anderson


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PostPosted: December 20, 2015 10:21 PM 

Other link for original image didn't work. Here:

Gorgon


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PostPosted: December 20, 2015 11:47 PM 

Some of these are so strange...how can we not be looking at past/present life.

Paul Scott Anderson


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PostPosted: December 21, 2015 3:31 AM 

In the original image (reply 1130), I also just noticed a very smooth and round-looking "pebble" about the same size to the lower right of it, too, and another similar but smaller one just above it. They remind me of that smooth-looking tiny "egg" seen a while ago.

AZ-Dave


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PostPosted: December 21, 2015 2:01 PM 

Sometimes they get these images of things that really are difficult to explain using the official info.

That small smooth "thing" below and the the right of the other object just doesnt fit in with anything...it almost looks photo-shopped in...

The other image with the disturbed soil is interesting...on one hand it looks like mud pushed up from below, but it also might be super-fine talcum-powder-like dust. Sometimes super fine materials can act in fluid-like ways.

Or, maybe the softer-wet mud stays below a layer of dry dust/sand...?? Or There could be some anti-hydroscopic properties to some of the dust styles which repel water, thus trapping it below??

AZ-Dave


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PostPosted: December 21, 2015 2:07 PM 

Curiously the MAHLI wasnt used from 1185 until 1191...or it was and they said "We cant release these images".

There are a ton of very interesting anomalies in that image.

AZ-Dave


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PostPosted: December 21, 2015 2:29 PM 

Found the area on the Left NavCam images for 1185 - I was hoping they would be closer, but they are not, but we do have the wheel in-frame to give some sense of scale:

The area with those objects is very small, maybe 6in x 6in - Now...this brings up a few questions:

a) What did they see that prompted them to image that small area close-up with the Mastcam...not once, but twice, exactly where the odd anomalous object was perfectly centered on the frame?

and b) if the NavCam wasnt high enough resolution to pick it out...what was?

Im betting they are running an algo that "spots" oddities, and then maybe autonomously images closer-in...which we had a MAHLI of it...need to keep 1185 in mind...maybe they will release images in a month?

LWS


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PostPosted: December 22, 2015 9:41 AM 

AZ-Dave

Re your reply 1133;

That fine talcum like material that mimics water flows was a semi-plausible one when everyone thought that the latest time that liquid water was present on the surface of Mars was a couple billion years ago. Now that it appears that it is possible that liquid water is flowing on Mars as we speak that explanation should be left to the people on the blue board who see no water and allows no mention of water on Mars in its hallowed confines.

The images that Anticitizen 2 provided, on that forum, of fluid flows emanating from under rocks near to the one being drilled by CURI should have put paid to the "talcum" explanation. Instead water was never mentioned and everyone there soon consigned what was a trailblazing set of images to the dustbin of politically incorrect scientific explanations.

The idea of the presence of water near the surface of Mars will not go away just because it is inconvenient to vested interests. If it is there it will eventually be demonstrated to be so and leave a lot of egg on establishment faces.

If there is no water, it will similarly consign some of us to the laughter of future scientists but my eyes compel me to side with the persons who see signs of water, and not talcum, in those images.

Winston

AZ-Dave


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PostPosted: December 22, 2015 1:36 PM 

This image at first looks like nothing special...however, it was taken on SOL 1185, the same day the oval "seashell" like object was imaged.

This is an extreme close-up image of "something" impressioned in a sand ripple...I dont think this was caused by the rover arm...so...what are we looking at?

I find it extremely odd that they took several extreme close-ups of areas, and there are so few images uploaded...the only way they knew to image these areas close-up, was because they saw something on other images we are not privy to review, at least yet...

Any ideas on this oddity? - When you enhance the image, it really stands out.

LWS


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PostPosted: December 22, 2015 4:46 PM 

AZ-Dave;

Please post the url of the sol 1185 image you are referring to above.

Winston

AZ-Dave


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PostPosted: December 22, 2015 5:04 PM 

Interesting white object on top of the dune surface at left side of image. I checked next image, and it is real. Also a smaller white nodule in the middle of the slumped area.

Why interesting? Because according to AMES research, and using 1% atmospheric pressure, only particles up to about 1/4 mm should be able to be moved, and by winds exceeding 58 mph...

How do these larger particles get moved with virtually no air resistance to move them? well...that IS the question de jour isnt it.

LWS


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PostPosted: December 22, 2015 5:31 PM 

AZ-Dave; Oops! I didn't read your earlier post where you gave the URL. My apologies!

Winston

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