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LWS


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PostPosted: October 8, 2015 10:05 PM 

AZ-Dave et al

Here's a truly alien object sitting on the top right side of an anomalous girder across some laminae.

Hope they take some more images of this one. Closer up if possible.

Did I mention that there's still a lot of green in these latest images?

Winston

LWS


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PostPosted: October 8, 2015 10:09 PM 

Here's the full image from which the above was cropped.

Sol 1126, Bayer image.

Winston

Barsoomer


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PostPosted: October 9, 2015 11:12 AM 

www.sciencemag.org/site/extra/curiosity

New papers about Mars. Special collection on the exploits of the Curiosity rover.

AZ-Dave


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PostPosted: October 9, 2015 12:44 PM 

I cant help but notice the new selfies of Curi show a much blue-er sky all around...this has been what I consider an ongoing "conditioning" of late.

Back in the 70's and 80's and early 90's, it was explained that the reason Orbiter images were so light and dark was that due to the extremely thin atmosphere of Mars, that there was very little Ambient light (little "Skylight")...On Earth, Our sky is bright because its relatively dense and somewhat thick (about 50 miles or so)...They even went on to explain how weather balloons on Earth see an almost Black Sky at altitudes over 80,000 feet.

Then in the 90's and early 2000's, we see images with rather bright, but still very Orange sky's - Pathfinder, and the early Spirit and Oppy. At the same time, orbiter images showed more detail in "shadows" of images (ambient light)

Then Curi comes along, and the sky isnt all too orange...its kind of a muckish color at first...but as the years have gone by...bluer and bluer skies, til now the latest selfies of the past few days are virtually Earth-Like Blue and bright.

Why do I bring this up? Well...it all fits nicely with NASA's "New" announcements that Mars still HAS "liquid" water at its surface in areas, and with the new movie coming out...P.R. - Make mars either appear as hospitable as possible, OR show its true colors once and for all.

We all knew the sky was blue back in 1977...they changed (hampered) it orange for 30 years, and are now apparently are stopping.

Now...given that Mars atmosphere is supposedly 1% that of Earths, someone please explain how its so bright anyway...Its the same density as Earth's at over 100,000 feet...and at 100K feet on Earth, its almost pitch-black...

Suspended Dust - OK, sometimes, but remember...suspended dust requires aerodynamic drag, and at 1% Earth, there is virtually no drag...thus dust "falls" out of the air on mars with very little resistance.

Maybe NASA will announce the atmosphere on Mars is actually denser than previously thought here in a few months years? haha...we will see.

Barsoomer


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PostPosted: October 9, 2015 3:10 PM 

> Maybe NASA will announce the atmosphere on Mars is actually denser than previously thought...

Interesting you should say that. There is an existing website that presents arguments for that hypothesis:

[link]

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PostPosted: October 11, 2015 10:02 AM 

THANKS,,,BS,,,,, one heck of a paper with some really good arguments.

This could change things drastically even if
only parts of it were true.

Well worth reading through twice.

marsatic


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PostPosted: October 11, 2015 4:44 PM 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mars_observation

In 1926, by measuring spectral lines that were redshifted by the orbital motions of Mars and Earth, American astronomer Walter Sydney Adams was able to directly measure the amount of oxygen and water vapor in the atmosphere of Mars. He determined that "extreme desert conditions" were prevalent on Mars.[77] In 1934, Adams and American astronomer Theodore Dunham, Jr. found that the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere of Mars was less than one percent of the amount over a comparable area on Earth.[78]

LWS


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PostPosted: October 13, 2015 12:24 AM 

Thought I would share this one from sol 1087

Looks like a bumpy stromatolite.

Its the closest one of a number of them.

3D, X1.5, auto white balanced, X-eyed.

Winston

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PostPosted: October 13, 2015 9:55 AM 


Mars skies are blue with low dust levels. A pale green on occasion, a rusty huge during global storms are likely.

The only change is that NASA no longer doctors the sky to fit their models. A moment of clarity if you will. News wire from the read planet has a great image of the dynamic Martian atmosphere. Link below

http://marsnews.com/

AZ-Dave


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PostPosted: October 13, 2015 12:14 PM 

F: Yes, I agree those are now the "true" colors that Mars' sky really is...however, up until 2012, Nasa/JPL was still "muddying" up the images, and I have even noticed past 2012 to this day. However over the past few months, they have been releasing images with every more blue skies. The muddying up doesnt just destroy the sky color, it literally destroys contrast and features on rocks, sands, features etc...to the point that when several people get the raw RGB bayered images and create a color image from them, they look nothing alike...the amount of different colors and textures on many surface features is stunning compared to what MSS seems to be putting out. Its sad they manipulate the data, and the fact that they do and have now admitted to sky tampering leave very last thing they present suspect, as it should.

I went thru and read a LOT of the info on the link that BS posted from Davidafaffman, and they are presenting the same contradicting observations about Mars atmosphere, brightness of sky, pressure, humidity etc, and they back it up with data released by Nasa, as well as experiments and calcs...
I guess even JPL attempted to create "dust devils" in a lab with 1% ATM, and it took 155 mph winds to even move the 2 micron dust they were using...it would take a 1000 mph wind to move sand-sized grains...
Nedless to say, there are major problems with what is observed on mars, its weather, snow, dust storms, moving Dunes, and the presented 1% Earth atmosphere that Nasa purports...
They also go to great lengths explaining about the pressure sensors and problems with them (dust clots/incorrect filtering in a tube on 2mm wide), and they show many images of what Earth's sky looks like (very dark almost black) at the same relative pressure.
Im not ready to say Mars has 70-80% Earth's pressure, but it is not going to surprise me at all if it turns out to range from 10% at high elevations to almost 50% at bottom of deep Chasm's and Basins.
And lets not kid ourselves...if they ever want to get public support behind a manned mission, they need a place that looks a little more "people" friendly.

Now...about the greater than expected water vapor and possibly 2 pints of water per cubic foot of soil...

AZ-Dave


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PostPosted: October 13, 2015 12:27 PM 

Fest: That link is exactly what Im talking about...look at the ground and colors of soil, rock, hills etc...then go look at other images...it wasnt just the sky that got altered, in some cases 90% of the contrast was removed to render a "flat"/featureless image of ground features as well as "mudwashing" the sky.
This was not by accident...MSG did similar "tricks" when imaging certain areas from space at first...only to be proven the images were "greywashed", distorted, compressed, etc.

Great link, and even better example of sky color and ground color that many people still (really) say doesnt exist...there are still many professionals and people involved that still think only the sky was altered, and even then it was very minor...

Gven 1% Earths ATM on MArs' then At times there is little dust in the atmosphere (as has been the case quite a bit recently), then the sjy should appear very dark...it simply doesnt...and it has up to 2 hours of light after sunset...So something isnt right. You (all of us) just cant have it both ways Smile

LWS


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PostPosted: October 13, 2015 12:40 PM 

AZ-Dave and Festus;

Its good to see the changes re. NASA/JPL images at last.
First it was the blue skies and poor contrast on the surface. Next it will be the images of Stromatolites, etc.

Read my ebook at scribd, on Debris flows by Lyall Winston Small. The skies are blue and the contrasts high there.

Winston

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PostPosted: October 13, 2015 3:45 PM 

I cant help but admit, many of the "rocks" appear to be fossilized organic structures...Stromatolites, Corals, etc...

We just never get a really Up-Close of them...or perfectly round spheres 4in in Diameter...with time...something will get released.

I have to go back and look, but there was a rock imaged fairly close that for all intents and purposes looked like a conglomerate with voids and faint lines resembling eroded out shells...this would mean advanced multi-cell life I know, but you have to keep an open mind...As for Stroms and other types of organic Mat-type remnants of life, It certainly appears something other than just mud and water was down in the lake...something alive. There are a few very good reports on it from very knowledgible scientists...too bad the mainstream treats them like loons...they are anything but.

LWS


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PostPosted: October 13, 2015 8:39 PM 

THis one is from tonight's releases of sol 1128 images.

Look at the clear image of water expressed from under the disturbed rock at the top right corner of the image.

It was water because it is transparent and very shallow and clearly is associated with the debris flow resulting from the Curiosity's wheels.

The image was cropped from one of tonight's releases and auto equalized in Gimp to get better contrast and more earthy colours.

Winston

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PostPosted: October 15, 2015 10:02 PM 

Here's a sol 810 image from Spirit that shows what I think is a closeup of a bumpy stromatolite

On roaming through the images libraries it seems as if there were several similar rocks which might have been mistaken (I did) for vesiculated basalt rocks.

Winston

LWS


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PostPosted: October 15, 2015 10:10 PM 

Here's a Curiosity sol 528 example of a large badly degraded domed stromatolite (I think)

Winston

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PostPosted: October 16, 2015 1:30 PM 

Im pretty sure there is swiss cheese in that image as well Wink - J/K.

Over the past few years, I have shown people image after image of the "rocks" that imho look to be 'organic' - Stromatolites, coral, sponges etc. Most of the time people just say "yeah, but if it were not a rock, then it would be major news" or "It looks like a rock with holes in it".

Now, those very same people, if they were to walk up and see this on a beach would immediately know its washed up sea life of some sort. Its a very common theme in todays world, and that is: If its not announced by an "official" source, then its not there.

The only other possibility I can come up with for all these frothy-sponge-like rocks is pumice...Ive been around a lot of volcanic areas where pumice and other air-intrained rocks form...the problem is that pumice and other volcanic rocks tend to be found in large quantities over wide areas (layers and beds and field of the stuff)...what we see here are isolated objects here and there...and Im betting not a single NASA or JPL scientist would even suggest these are randomly arranged volcanic rocks...so...what are they?

They are most likely exactly what they appear to be Smile

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PostPosted: October 16, 2015 1:41 PM 

a bit off-subject, but todays SOL 4167 images from oppy appear to show some type of movement of debris or something in the air.

It looks like snow, prob isnt, but its a very interesting set of images, and none like Ive ever seen before.

[link]

AZ-Dave


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PostPosted: October 16, 2015 1:51 PM 

LWS: They evidently are somewhat interested in the rock you posted an image of the other day with possible water...

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?rawid=1133MR0050630210601547E01_DXXX&s=1133

Why "waste" their precious time and resources re-imaging a rock a few days later? I mean, after all, their excuse for not investigating several anomalies is always "we have limited resources and its a multi-billion dollar project, we cant waste the time or money"

Uh-Hu...so...

LWS


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PostPosted: October 16, 2015 3:52 PM 

AZ-Dave;

I've seen some images of the same phenomenon some years ago. I can't remember exactly but I think it was Opportunity during the Victoria days. Perhaps Hortonheardawho can locate it. I'll look through my images but I think it was before my computer broke down and I mighrated to Smugmug. I brought up the strange images and I think there was some discussion on it, but, like everything else, it was dismissed and we all moved on.

If it isn't a dust storm, and the atmospheric conditions permit, I would guess it was ice or snow. But who knows? perhaps not even NASA?

Re. the debris flow and possible water front from under those crushed rocks. There have been so many of those before and they took no notice that one wonders why they appear to be doing so now. My guess is that it is no longer outside the pale to discuss the liquid W word and so they can now investigate it but it may be too late as the water has already escaped, only the traces of enhanced salts are likely to remain.

Hey, perhaps that is what they are looking for; perchlorates in the edges of the flow and in the flow itself?

Next thing they will be taking some closeup images of will be putative stromatolites and even some shells and fossilized bones thereafter.

That will be the day!

Winston

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