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Kye Goodwin

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PostPosted: June 16, 2015 1:06 AM 

Joe Smith, re your 900, Thanks. The "top of the dunes" is where we would most expect to see sand landslides based on Earth, but all the hundreds of slides we've seen so far at Gale have happened in a really different kind of place than a dune crest. They are all on stationary slopes, not moving dunes. I don't think that this sort of thing happens on Earth at all, but its such an obscure question that there is no research I can do online.

Joe Smith

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PostPosted: June 16, 2015 8:06 PM 

'''its such an obscure question that there is no research I can do online.'''

I feel the process must be similar and related to the mechanics of venting. We
have many venting actions in our picture base.

In the case of the slides,,, let us suppose,,
(thought experiment),,, liquid under the surface where it rises then turns into a gas. At the point of exit, the sand would find a void beneath it,,, causing the slide???

And exposing the still damp (for a while) regolith beneath.

Ahhhh,,, our constantly changing surface of
Mars,,, a busy, beautiful, place, totally at odds with the cold dead planet theory.

(sorry to go off on a tangent, Kyle...:>),,

Glass on Mars (volcanic),,,methinks horts pictures years ago

With the gravity,,,,,,, think very long distance travel of heavy to light objects.

Meteors, volcanos, vents from subsurface,,
(when very very hot meteors,, n,miles deep cools down)

Were Mars ever mined there would be very high profit on rare metals meteors/meteorites.
The surface seems to be bountiful in alumunuim and magnesium,,,,, very light,
very strong, building material.

The first five gallon bucket of Mars soil
brought back to Earth should go for at least
half a billion $$$.

I would think building materials (rocks)
sand,, could reasonably be turned to a robot driven brick factory with solar. The winds on mars have negligible effect unless dust storm force.

I hope that it is the hope of everyone here
that something said on RGB or USMF will be an inspiration to some young excited teenager
reading thru these posts.
Hortonheardawho,,,,, May the Father Bless and
Keep you and may you live at least as long as you'r Mother. God Bless her also. You have been the heartbeat of this little group. My
prayers will be for you and yours, during this trip. Please give us an update now and then.

Kyle its you and bs, lws, Kevin, zoost, festus, Dishman, mann, paulanderson,dx? and all the others who browse here infrequently (myself)

What need is it inside ourselves that gives us cause to post on this very small (seldom
read)forum. For me I think it is

Running, jogging, walking trails on Mars.
Not in my lifetime but coming anyway.
By his very nature man has been an explorer
of final frontiers.
Humanity has shrunk the Earth and needs more
room to grow. Mars has the same amount (roughly) of land as Earth,,,, there is room there for several millions of families. Children born on Mars will be the
real-time test of Darwinism,,survival of the fittest and adjusting to the environment.
I am a God man myself,,,(There are many things I cannot tell you for you could not bear them),,,,

Sorry Kyle for the Soapbox post but my feelings for Mars burst thru at times.

I am full of respect for all of you who support this Forum. I am heading for the coast tomorrow,, but I have a small bit
of bandwidth, even down there. I read ALL
posts,,, some I do not answer simply because I cant find them. Barsoomer also looses posts.
Many people post here and receive no reply.
This is not good,,, No I am NOT bitching/complaining at all as I am more guilty than most of you.

DX,, I haven't heard from you in a LONG time,,,,whassup?
You really picked imageJ fast! Beautiful work!!

Softly raining outside my open office door.
Central Texas around 70ish F*

Kye Goodwin

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PostPosted: June 22, 2015 12:01 PM 

Hey Joe. Your excitement is inspiring, but I have to say I don't share your enthusiasm for colonizing Mars. Earth's oceans or Antarctica would be much easier places to truly colonize and would use fewer of Earth's resources, as any Mars "colonies" would have to be very heavily subsidized from Earth for a long time. All that Mars has to offer us is knowledge, maybe even a big advance in understanding of "Life the Universe and Everything".

I've just thought of a possible way that Mars life could power it's activities. On the surface there is a lot of unoxidized iron and magnesium as basalt and we suspect that there is also oxidant in the soil as perchlorates that probably form somehow through the action of sunlight. But there is no water at the surface to catalyze the oxidative reaction. Maybe the sand circulation that we see carries basaltic particles and perchlorate to deeper levels where water activity mediated by life is easier at higher relative humidity (and the radiation hazard is much reduced). Then the metal oxide waste products, some as dust, are returned to the surface, particularly at slope crests where gravity helps to keep the extruded material from accumulating. Maybe this is how the dramatic crater exhumation process proceeds.


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PostPosted: June 22, 2015 1:20 PM 

Joe Smith>>


See 105 [dx comment]



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PostPosted: June 24, 2015 11:18 AM 

Recent Water/Debris Flow

This seems to confirm the recency of combined water/debris flows, although it is thought to have occurred about 1 million years ago, at the time of the last high-inclination period.


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PostPosted: June 24, 2015 8:44 PM 


Saw that one earlier today. Noted that the concept of Debris flow now appears to have gone mainstream.

Wonder when they will recognize that the TSL's and RSL's are indeed Debris flows and are all mediated by relatively small amounts of water, as we speak, not 500 million years ago.



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PostPosted: June 24, 2015 8:47 PM 

Oops! Should be thousand, not million years ago!



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PostPosted: June 28, 2015 11:48 PM 

3D of two sol 1028 Mahli images.

It screams biology. Look at it carefully at 200X in Stereophotomaker.

Check the circular holes and depressions, the veins and their corresponding dark matrix. The absolutely uniform very dark spherical spores that most will call dust.



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PostPosted: June 29, 2015 11:26 AM 

Who wants a piece of pie?

pie !

Also, cute lemur walking on stone:

cool formation


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PostPosted: June 30, 2015 10:35 AM 

What is this strange little structure certainly has the look of a fossil of the roots of a little tree. ChemCam has zapped it I wonder if they will drill it too.


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PostPosted: June 30, 2015 10:17 PM 


That's an old sol 767 image that was quite heavily discussed about 9 months ago. I don't recall if they drilled it. I think it was determined to be a vein of some sort. But I'm not sure.



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PostPosted: July 1, 2015 12:50 PM 

Here's some details of boxwork in a sol 1029 3D.

The image is magnified by 1.5X and auto whitebalanced in Gimp.

Use stereophotomaker to view the stereo at 200X.

I cannot help but think that the fine features of the veins and boxwork is not due to water of a few million years ago. I think some is recent (as in years or decades) and that microbes are involved in what we are seeing.


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PostPosted: July 1, 2015 5:28 PM 

Interesting reading this book LWS. You lists so nice up our observations, it's good to get this documented. Continue your good work!

I wonder why not Curiosity did not have a good high quality microscope with 100-600+ times magnification. Yes there is a microscopic imager there, but how good is this?


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PostPosted: July 1, 2015 9:59 PM 


Thanks for your comments above. I really appreciate it. I am still debating with myself if I should write the second book which might be called "There is life on Mars - The Curiosity factor"

I've collected and enhanced what I think are some good images that illustrate the main thrust that, even though the MAHLI and Chem Cam imagers are not ideal, they yet provide a huge number of images that can reasonably be interpreted as showing signs of microscopic life and perhaps even some macroscopic life as well. Along with that is my main hypothesis that several Curi images show debris flows which might actually be mini TSLs or RSLs that some external condition triggers to slide down slopes lubricated by small amounts of water held just below the surface. The water sublimes almost immediately when the crust is removed and so cannot be recorded by the various instruments which would normally be expected to measure water if it was there.

I've lost much of my energy these days and I'm not certain if I should even start it.



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PostPosted: July 3, 2015 6:31 AM 

The grey coloured rock is certainly of interest to NASA they are looking at it real close. The interesting thing here is it is the same colour as the fresh soil that we have seen after a drilling event which begs the question is the newly exposed rock? If so then how and if not how has it not oxydized like the the other rock and soil? Zero Iron content?


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PostPosted: July 3, 2015 10:56 PM 

Perhaps the grey rock surfaces were protected by a covering of sand, and have only recently been exhumed?


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PostPosted: July 4, 2015 6:14 AM 

Anyone wondered like me how those numerous discrete holes in th lamellar rocks were formed?

Here's the latest ones.




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PostPosted: July 4, 2015 6:44 PM 

Here's a 3D of two Chem cam images

The white smear appears to be a young vein or pseudo-vein.

I've been looking for one of these for a long time now as it seems to indicate that the vein does not seem to be following valleys on the rock surfaces but seems to be taking an independant path.

Could the veins be microbial life itself?

I have a few other images of seashell like objects that perfectly mimic some shells in coral stone. I'm planning to get some coral stone surface images soon to show the similarities.



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PostPosted: July 5, 2015 1:23 PM 

Look at the bottom right of the below image. The veins below the rock do not appear to have dveloped from the cracks in the rock but seem to be emanating and anastamozing from the soil surface.


If that is so there might be some important facts about the veins that NASA is yet to discover.



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PostPosted: July 5, 2015 4:55 PM 

What is that white stuff that blankets everything?



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