Mars 2020 Mission

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PostPosted: February 7, 2014 9:58 PM 


They have gone far beyond the neutron spectrometer work. The new instrument uses cosmic rays and gamma rays to identify many different substances---not just water.

A candidate for the 2020 mission.


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PostPosted: February 9, 2014 10:29 PM 

A jack-hammer would be a nice addition to the payload. Get the crust off the rocks.


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PostPosted: February 9, 2014 11:41 PM 

And a rock turner. GOTTA' have a way to flip the rocks over.


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PostPosted: February 10, 2014 3:23 PM 


Hell lets go all the way and use some dynamite and stop this BLAH BLAH BLAH pussy-footing around before we all get too damned old and die!!

Silly Mars stuff will still be there.



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PostPosted: February 10, 2014 3:40 PM 

dx, agree...

...And a Cat bulldozer... Hey let's do some heavy work there Smile


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PostPosted: February 11, 2014 5:11 AM 

I want this to go there please:


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PostPosted: February 11, 2014 9:40 AM 


Now 'THAT' is what the Martians need as a wake-up call from EARTH to get them up for us to see them. Sent those UK MOLES to Mars fast before the Martians escape.

Hurry, Hurry, Hurry! Everyone now...


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PostPosted: February 11, 2014 1:57 PM 

Perhaps we have the history of a Lost Civilization,, buried deep beneath rock and radar.

Perhaps the last Martians had to move underground.

How can we know until we ''scratch the surface?''

Joe Smith

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PostPosted: February 11, 2014 2:03 PM 

One thing we dam shure know,,,, there is nothing on the surface but rocks and sand.

All repeat... ALL Future Missions should at least partially focus on underground.


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PostPosted: March 8, 2014 9:59 AM 

Red Dragon to send 2020 mars rover samples back to earth?



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PostPosted: April 29, 2014 12:56 PM 

On NASATV right now, a workshop about exploration of Mars.


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PostPosted: April 30, 2014 1:38 AM 

"And a rock turner. GOTTA' have a way to flip the rocks over." Hort, I think the wheels on the rover will spin any way the operator wants them to spin. Rotate 5 one way and 1 the other way. With careful manuvering, we could FLIP rocks.


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PostPosted: July 31, 2014 11:16 AM is reporting that NASA will announce the Selected Instruments for the Mars 2020 mission at a press conference today about 45min from now.


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PostPosted: July 31, 2014 10:52 PM 

My initial reaction to the instrument suite was one of disappointment. No microscope with 1 micron resolution. No DNA/RNA detection using PCR. No wet chemistry lab.

It seems they have extended the habitability focus to looking for possible bio-signatures of ancient life. But such signatures are notoriously difficult to confirm even for ancient life on Earth, so any detection is likely to engender controversy.

If there are live microbes or spores at the Martian surface, even if they are EXTREMELY sparse, it seems like it would be easier to culture them and detect their presence than finding definitive signs of ancient life.

The sample cache mechanism is taking up a fair amount of landed mass on this rover although there are no plans to collect the samples. If this was omitted, maybe the extra space could be used for some life detection experiment.

On the plus side there is the Raman spectrometer and fluorescence analyzer

which can detect organics without the problem of being oxidized by the perchlorate.

There is also a trend to use onboard analysis for more efficient detection

and a new SuperCam

which seems to be an advanced version of the ChemCam instrument on Curiosity.


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PostPosted: August 1, 2014 5:21 AM 

A brief summary of MSL 2020 I wonder what they will call it? My shout would be "Fascination"


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PostPosted: August 2, 2014 12:02 AM 

If names have power, I would call it "Discovery." Smile

On the instrument suite, I'm now thinking the sample cache was a brilliant tactic. If it picks up something interesting, it will be yelling "Come and get me."

Joe Smith

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PostPosted: August 16, 2014 7:13 AM 

Still disappointed that the new rover will
not have an auger, by auger, I mean a meter
or less,long,,2 to 4 inches diameter.

Similar to a post-hole-digger but, hollow in the center,,,, this is where the sample is

Having done literally hundreds, ALL over WSMR,I can see where the process could easily
be made robot friendly.

Oh well,,, can't have it all.

The absolute most important thing of all is
a safe touchdown.

Joe Smith

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PostPosted: August 19, 2014 4:13 PM 

Yes,,, I too would go with ''Discovery''

Joe Smith

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PostPosted: August 22, 2014 1:08 PM 

This is the one I like best!


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PostPosted: August 24, 2014 2:05 PM 

The Mars Oxygen ISRU Experiment is a *****ing ridiculous waste of space.

First off, no man will ever go there until we confirm beyond all doubt the planet is dead. The average person doesn't care about Mars but they've seen zombie/sci-fi movies and understand the concept of back contamination even if they don't know the term. The taxpayers, blind to the fact that their money is consistently being wasted on missions to Mars that do little to answer the one question they use to justify their billions in funding, would go viral in keeping this from happening. They've seen movies and they have Twitter. In any event, at our current rate of breakthrough Mars discoveries pertaining to life, of which we have had zero to date in fifty years, we will all be dead if it ever happens.

In the event a man does go there in a century or so, this waste of space will be as useful as Samuel Morse thinking up ways to run a telegraph line to the Moon because one day a man would go there.

Second off, caching samples for an unplanned, unfunded, 25+ year away retrieval mission that would push the limit of what we can even do on Mars now, is completely idiotic and therefore also a waste of space.

Put a life detection experiment on there. Put several. Hell, put a microscope and petri dish on there. Land it at a "special region." We humans destroy literally everything else we touch, including each other, so why not Mars?

The Mars Program is a complete waste of taxpayer dollars.


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PostPosted: August 27, 2014 6:27 AM 

Wildcat, in case you missed it: there is a crowd funded (hopefully) project involving - among others - Gil Levin and Chris McKay to directly search for life on Mars using Levins old idea to put the Gulliver experiment (Viking LR) into darts to probe the sub surface of Mars. This time using nutrients of different chirality to even better discern resulting chemical and biochemical reactions.

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