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LWS


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PostPosted: September 6, 2013 9:44 PM 

Wildcat;

Re. your #40 above. I took the liberty of cropping your source image, magnifying it by 2X and lightening your highlighted area as well as auto white balancing the whole cropped area.

The result is below.

I agree that it looks like your highlighted are might have been modified by recent water and I think that we are also seeing rocks broken by the rover wheel and showing a number of internal passages that could easily be the home of any putative microbes. There are also lots of spherical and smooth filamentous micro pebbles around.

Winston

Wildcat


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PostPosted: September 8, 2013 11:02 PM 

Structure that I suspect to be Plastic:

See also my Reply Nos. 29 and 36.

Wildcat


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PostPosted: September 13, 2013 10:46 AM 

Here is the Mount that I keep talking about.

The structure is identical.

LWS


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PostPosted: September 23, 2013 8:54 PM 

Wildcat;

Check out the sol 401 Curi MAHLI images. There are some that show a wide range of objects that look organic including the ones below which I cropped and white balanced and magnified by 2.

I think there is some martian plastic in those images

Winston

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PostPosted: September 24, 2013 9:45 PM 

Testing

Wildcat


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PostPosted: September 26, 2013 3:59 PM 

Winston,

I have also noticed similarities between the Plastic and the rock observed in the Sol 400-401 range. For example, note the similarity depicted between the Plastic and this image from Sol 400:

See it? The similarity greatly reduced the probability that the Plastic is plastic as they guessed.

Source:

Wildcat


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PostPosted: September 26, 2013 4:06 PM 

The similarity being the 2 "large" lines (relatively speaking as the Plastic is quite small) separated by a tiny line in the middle of the Plastic and the rock with the same 2 "large" lines separated by a tiny line.

Wildcat


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PostPosted: October 2, 2013 3:22 PM 

CURIOSITY'S MISSION MANAGER CONFIRMS THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE PLASTIC WAS MERELY THEIR "BEST GUESS" BASED SOLELY UPON A VISUAL OBSERVATION

In an October 2012 interview on NPR, Michael Watkins, the Mission Manager spoke at length about the Plastic. Here's what he said:

"The very first day, we - it looked really shiny to us, looked kind of silver, and we thought did we just shake a screw off of ourselves or something?"

"You know, like, did we just undo one of our bolts, you know? Because we did the scoop and we do a little vibration to settle the material in the scoop, kind of, you know, like if you're flour sifting or something, you kind of want to shake it down a little bit. And so we actually had a little vibration motor and we started vibing. And then we looked at the scoop and it looks great. And then we saw this little silver thing, and we just want to make sure we didn't accidentally back out a screw or do some other crazy thing."

And as soon as we took a close look at it, we could see it looked more really like a piece of plastic, more like, kind of a little bit like a shiny bit of plastic. And it kind of just caught the sun at the right angle that made it look kind of silvery. It actually looks more like a little piece of plastic."

The interviewed asked him "so you discovered plastic on Mars," to which he replied:

"Exactly. And almost certainly our own litter. So, you know, we do - it looks like a little bit of cable wrapping or cable tie-down. You know, we have lots of cables on the rover and we had lots of them, you know, in the parts of the spacecraft that we threw away, like on the heat shield and the descent stage and all that. AND SO THE BEST GUESS RIGHT NOW IS, you know, we cut a lot of cables when we start separating the spacecraft to, you know, to touchdown, throw away the heat shield. It's probably little bits and pieces of that stuff that kind of, you know, fluttered down and is around us still."

Source: http://www.npr.org/2012/10/12/162790786/curiosity-rover-gets-the-scoop-on-mars

He confirms the incredible journey theory is merely "a best guess."

Denny


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PostPosted: December 16, 2013 12:40 PM 

Looks like dried skin shed from an insect or small animal, not plastic.

Wildcat


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PostPosted: January 16, 2014 8:41 PM 

This paper is one of the Curiosity team's six papers that was published last month. It bears mentioning that it was written WELL OVER A YEAR after the ridiculous "incredible journey of the tiny piece of rover plastic" explanation. Funny how they refused to commit to that ridiculous theory in their scholarly, peer-reviewed, very serious and important to their career/field of study journal article.

"An unidentified, but distinctly non-geologic object."

Okay, so we know for a fact that the Plastic is of a non-geological origin. If geological processes played no part, then it cannot be of an inorganic origin. If the Plastic is of Martian origin, by process of elimination, what would that make it? Biological?

Wildcat


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PostPosted: January 16, 2014 11:44 PM 

Comparison of Rocknest on Sol 55 and Sol 61. Recall that they said the Plastic wasn't visible on Sol 55. That is the basis for their crazy theory that it fell off the rover when it arrived on Sol 61. If the Plastic was actually there on Sol 55, then it is from Mars in addition to being "distinctively non-geological."

John


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PostPosted: January 17, 2014 3:44 AM 

I just want to vomit every time this thread comes up. It's a piece of PLASTIC. There is all KINDS of debris at a landing site. From the parachute, to the heat shield, to tape, plastic, springs, bolts and what ever ELSE secured the craft enroute. Why make something of what is clearly NOT?

LWS


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PostPosted: January 18, 2014 9:50 AM 

John;

Here are some more of your pieces of Plastic from sol 514 chemcam images.

Winston

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PostPosted: January 18, 2014 10:16 PM 

This appears very much similar to the one known instance of Plastic on the other side of the planet:

Wildcat


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PostPosted: January 18, 2014 10:21 PM 

By appearances only, I certainly believe I have found the second piece of Curiosity landing plastic which blew all the way to Opportunity's current position.

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