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PostPosted: March 22, 2013 4:52 AM This is the Mars Rover replacement. Laughing

Dana Johnson

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PostPosted: April 7, 2013 5:54 PM 

Interesting that humans find such pleasure in mathematics through music, with most disliking the straight-forward process itself.
The rovers should be as active and fast as the fingers of this musician, yet they are just barely keeping a daily list of a few dozen image returns and a few instrument readings.
Here I have a Earth based anigif animation of the first week of April, 2013, studying the earthquakes of 5 magnitude and greater, which are the directly tectonic related and controlled quakes, for both hemispheres of Earth, South seen directly and the North seen through the Earth globe, as viewed from a satellite position over the South Pole.
This behavior was likely active on Mars similarly, although we do not yet know if the details of Mars tectonics was precisely the same as on Earth.
The gravity field structure controls most all of these stronger earthquakes, and that was probably true on Mars in the distant past. As Earth has the water based surface thin film to accommodate the motion of the tectonics process, and as we see no current equivalent process on Mars, we have to wonder if the gravity field had or has matching actions expressed across the surface of Mars.
The gravity field of Mars does match that of Earth in reasonable detail, and the basics of that are active in current timing.
In the week of April 1 to 7, 2013, we can see two patterns operating on Earth in the first half of the animated GIF images.
The sequence repeats in patterns of 4 to 5 , with each sequence adding information to 'noise' the display, giving a view of how we lose accuracy in the increasing noise levels of multiple overlapping methods of sensing and seeing.
We can appreciate here the problems of music, with the solos giving way to the orchestrated crescendo to a group competition for our attention.

First is the South Polar view visually, with all the 5 plus magnitude quakes shown for the southern hemisphere in a week.

Second is the view of the first four days of the week, south hemisphere only, with a arcing linear sequence across the margin of Antarctica.
Repeats show the second arcing sequence occurring in the last three days of the week, with that orientation driving the earthquakes across the opposing margin of Antarctica. The arcs are oriented and have a common singular origin at this viewpoint.

Third is the collection of earthquakes from the Northern hemisphere, added to the Southern hemisphere total, in repeats, to show the linear counter-clock-wise sequences that are in alignment with the clockwise arcs in the Southern hemisphere.

Both sets of arcs have a relative common origin for each group.

Forth is a display of the magnitudes of the repeats included, and the pattern begins to degrade with the added information. The South and North patterns still are clear, however.
Fifth, is the addition of the latitude and longitudinal grid to the globe, with continental outlines showing the close fitting margins of the landmasses in the polar view.
At this point the noise level is so high that the patterns are just visible, as with much music group displays we listen to.
The science is still present, but the human ability to see science processes is diminished by the interferences.

The Earth is a very orderly device, an object, and a system of noise and information. It is our limitations in processing the available information that distinguishes science from noise patterns.

Mars satellite images show this same pattern concentration across surface, and when we have the proper machines in place, we will find similar patterned behavior as we see in the still images.

Someday we may be able to use our computers to view the daily gravity field pattern to predict these 5 plus strength earthquakes in order to find safety timing along the high shear differentials which are causing most all of these powerful earthquakes that cause us danger and damage.

In the interim we have music and movies and dancing to give us a sense of applied noise to the local environment. Can we make it a science of personal conduct, and bring value to others?



The unusual aspect of this weeks view is that South hemisphere earthquakes are normally rather rare, yet recently the Australian sector has been active, the far East generally, and now the Antarctic is surrounded by activity. Very low levels are recorded on the Western hemisphere simultaneously, and there were none in the Alaskan region.
The observations are true for quakes 5 and greater, which comprise the direct effects of the gravity field shear zones. Lessor quakes are not under the same stricture control, necessarily.

As this is a GIF based animation, you must be able to process a three minute anigif file. Best downloaded to your machines. About 1.5MB.

Hope this adds order and music to your lives.

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PostPosted: April 8, 2013 7:12 AM 

A few links describing the local concentration of earthquake activity behind the polar vortex type interference pattern which is very clear to see in the graphic global mapping of the 5 plus mag quakes the first week of April, 2013.
The earthquakes seem to be occurring in a arcing origin at the longitudinal zone just north of Australia, with the strongest 7.0 magnitude earthquake at Papua, Indonesia.

This link auto updates and will be out of timing within days, but a good source for reference at any real time- see the link to the real-time earthquake map for a newer page and link.







These are stills from the animation, and give the basic pattern of the clear interference quake production process, which appears to display a polar antipodal reinforcement process, or similar process, causing nearly all of the 5 plus quakes for the week.

The arcs seem to orient to the longitudinal line of strong quakes just north of the Australian coastline, at the Australian-Pacific boundary zone. The precision of the process is remarkable.

The Earth makes music when we listen carefully. Mars should be doing this similarly.

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PostPosted: April 8, 2013 7:55 PM 

To explain the images at entry #2, the massive number of Australian coastline to Indonesian quakes are seen in image #1. Those are all plus 5 quakes for one week. That is in addition to a very serious reduction in plus 5 quakes for the entire Western hemisphere.
The second image is the first four days of the week, giving the arc arising in the area where the massive concentration of quakes are shown in image one. The view of image #2 is a South polar position.
Image #3 shows the second half of the week, with the second arc very clear, along the upper and opposite margin of Antarctica, making a surrounding very rare 360 degree ring of quakes at the far South circumpolar Antarctic margins. Almost no quakes occur in the area.
Image number four shows the South polar view again, with allowance for all the earthquakes in the Northern Hemisphere to be overlain on the Southern earthquakes. The result is a view through a transparent Earth globe of all the planets plus 5 magnitude quakes in a seven day period.
Each earthquakes is staged either at close positioning to opposite polar quakes, or, the quakes are all along the arcing linear patterns, precisely matching the to polar quake patterns as one assembled process.

The fifth image shows the magnitudes and is otherwise the same pattern as the image #4.
The info noise precludes seeing the pattern properly.

A simple pattern in natural processes gives us a view of new science content in the actions and interactions of the Earth's gravity field(not seen directly in this display), earthquakes, tectonics boundaries, and continental margins and positions, viewed along the polar axis of the Earth globe.

There is no possibility that this not correct viewing.
The science of the scene is correct.
This is beyond routine predictability of standard proven science knowledge.
The cyclonic orientation of the earthquake pattern matches atmospheric, magnetic, fluid mechanisms, and physics processes, to a match beyond any statistical confusion or illusion.

This is the use of mathematics and graphics to prove new science content.

Unfortunately the visuals are now different and the public is not provided with free software to rebuild the view.
The class structuring of reality in denying Open Access to the records and a lack of free software is hampering rapid construction of a gravity field/tectonics prediction solution to planetary geology activity that results in damaging earthquakes.

The Earthquake3D program is the best real-time solution I am aware of. Found at, both a free and a paid version are available.
The animation was assembled with Photoscape, a free photo editor.

With rovers in number at varied locations either on Earth or other planetary bodies, we could allow the public to solve many science problems. Providing the methods to accomplishing that is not expensive nor difficult.

New rovers could have the music of Earth Science and applicable science processes resolved publicly with volunteers.

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PostPosted: April 12, 2013 10:09 PM 

This used to be the standard view of the 'tectonic' earthquake patterns as they occurred one by one, and there is truth in the basic information about the processes of each quake affected by local geology conditions.

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The new view which will be developed over the following decades must take into account the full gravity field structure through which the active daily field is interacting with local geology and stress/strain opportunities.
We are presented with added challenges of learning to predict not the active new earthquakes but the daily and weekly to monthly field patterns as predictable causes for the short term future earthquake zones, in order to add a layer of complexity to the simpler patterns of plate tectonics and local active strains and repeats. This is not yet published in popular media as a formal approach to earthquake prediction, but suggestions indicating the general concept of causes as predictable are accepted generally.

In differentiating Mars from Earth as similar planets we have to find the patterns of Mars quakes from the past geology and add that to the minor residual current occurrences. The opportunity to move Earth based research into unexpected solutions is to have another example of interactions to allow complex testing.

We observe that liquid water and a large Moon have significant contributions to the Earth's processes, and that may always have given Earth the capacity to develop a 'stress relief' mechanism providing a unique history for Earth. Mars will be found to either have an early history with liquid water and a unknown early moon not yet detected in rotation fluctuations, or, our current view of minor moons and frozen water might be an opportunity to add a second scenario to limit the planetary similarities.

The next Mars rover should add to the early history of Mars details and basic interpretations. If the current rovers do not give full answers to the basics, the next will reduce the confusion.

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PostPosted: April 12, 2013 10:34 PM 

Possibly this link works?
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PostPosted: April 12, 2013 10:45 PM 

Leave it to a space agency to figure out how to fail at links.
Plate Tectonics: Earthquakes
Use the title in the search box at the 'index' link above. Short clip.

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PostPosted: April 17, 2013 1:11 PM 

Funding discussion for future projects continuing in development in planetary exploration. As funding determines all missions planned and active, the information precedes any new rovers.

A view of the Mars gravity field, presented in prior topics. This was built from satellite returns in the past few years. I raised this discussion here as the geology and appearance of Mars is a product of these influences which are a series of effects of non-visible activity globally inside and across Mars both in the past and currently.

A Twitpic hosted copy, may or may not work on this blog.



The Insight mission program underway, to monitor gravity effects through marsquake monitoring of the 'sound wave' type patterns of quakes. As the mission will record a wide range of disruptions to find the conditions of marsquakes unique to the Martian geology, we will gain a great second source of ground motion effect examples from a source not possible from Earth.
Another set of returns of ground temperature supply from deep in Mars would aid in giving a understanding as to why the gravity field of Earth and Mars are so basically similar, yet may have very differing details.
In the stationary lander program the drill to be used to penetrate the ground for a placement of the heat measuring equipment would be more than ten feet if continued to completion.
The drill is what we need on new rovers, and the ground heat stations could be released near rovers as well. It seems the rovers are bound by extreme weight limits, with only a few of the available test instruments allowed on each rover.

Will we be listening to the 'Hendrix' in Mars while waiting for the next planned U.S. rover in 2020?

Bill Harris stated a discussion on the Insight mission which is a stationary lander, back in August of 2012.


I have not intended to 'hijack' these topics. but the details of Mars gravity and marsquakes is a core piece of the geology puzzle for each surface rover mission content and background.
It would be very helpful if space agencies somewhere could orbit Mars for a daily recording of the gravity field during the Insight mission active one year program. Funding and planning is apparently limited to current orbiter returns of a very generalized type.

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PostPosted: May 18, 2013 11:51 PM 

This video of a Earth based solar powered rover being used for ice layer study in Greenland is interesting. The link accesses a series of video clips which can be sought on You Tube, if the entire list of videos is activated by the link. A radar based instrument setup.
Another proposed and partly planned mission to find evidence of complex organic molecules in a deep drill( 3 meters) penetration of material at a landing site planned as near the expired Phoenix mission craft. Many possible new landers and rovers are in the planning stage.

The real problem is the design of new instruments, and equipment. Detectors are a new science industry.
Adding deep percussion drills to the group of current instruments.

The Insight mission lander, referenced in my reply #7, has been tentatively planned for the Aeolis Planum area North and East of Gale crater where MSL Curiosity is active.

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