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Dana Johnson

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PostPosted: March 16, 2013 8:36 PM 

Chris, I see the object, and it also is odd, much like the many others in this area, so I will try to enlarge it for tomorrow (Sunday, the 17th, March).
While these objects are found along a eroded portion of what appears to be channels running parallel to each other in the larger scale views of Aeolis Palus, the landing site region of Gale crater, we should always consider that the basalt source of rocks, the channels controlling the exposed level, and the obvious parallel diking units extending across most all of Mount Sharp are the source of much of our views at any lessor scale.

I have little experience in degraded and eroded basalt alteration zones, and these dikes may be regional beyond Gale, forced from many tens of miles, even hundreds, beyond Gale crater proper.

Following the water 'streambed' path would seem a rationale in pursuing former living objects, but we are here for now, and this gives us varied shapes and a chance to match sections and statistics in shapely types as examples.

Chris, the opposed curled objects stand out as a 'caricature' of a face pattern. Why? We have so many examples to ponder. I would not expect the shapes in lava tube erosion exposures, but only tests make the story in depth.


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PostPosted: March 18, 2013 8:00 AM 

Chris, Dana; I snapshoted Chris' object of interest in the Sol 198 panorama.
Here is a thumb and the link:

Another nice target for close-up MAHLI imaging for sure.

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PostPosted: March 19, 2013 7:49 AM 

Very helpful, MPJ.
I was delayed in responding to my promise of the enlargement of an unusual 'rock'.
What would give these 'wormlike shapes in a small collection of rocks again? Are all the linear regular curves and same size diameter for each a standard in any object found in geology? I have never seen this in cool (not melt)rocks and the non-angular curves appear to allow a control of diameter with allowance of lengthy curvature in particular directions. Even a hot mud or lava would be constrained in the lengths retaining strength in the curved long direction.
This looks like the item just above the example of a 'disk' shape in the prior post.

I enlarged this and brought the darker portion to an easy to view tone for study from your altered image at entry #22. This is 2x.



How could anyone pass up the opportunity to test these items of a group collection?

Will we discover Mars makes rocks in odd shapes routinely?
Will a failure to find original chemistry leave us without a pointer to the source of the shapes?
These appear simple in surface texture. They remind me of Pompeii casts of bodies which lose detail upon entombment.
Would the linear straight mid-section be related to the topic image linear pattern? Association existed at whatever the original matrix elevation positions for each, provided these were not carried by water. Repeated formation at varied elevation positions seems unlikely if these are former mud or lava. Side by side formation possibly?
Is the original horizon of that set of items the face we are viewing?
Possibly a portion of the dike emplacements in a high energy expression/ Chemistry testing might distinguish whether these match the more solid brighter veins or dikes here and up Mt. Sharp.


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PostPosted: March 20, 2013 8:42 AM 

Dana, actaully the whole near field observations of YkB is full of this kind of peculiar stuff.

Here is another excample of a set of (connected/related?) rather complex shapes in a small area:


This kinda looks like to me that the rather circular objects on top are connected to the ground below the host rock via roots. Very Happy


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PostPosted: March 20, 2013 10:11 PM 

Wow there is alot of stuff going on here. The root looking things are extraordinary.


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PostPosted: March 20, 2013 10:39 PM 

It looks like the rocks surrounding were carved or split with roots. Alot of them.


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PostPosted: March 20, 2013 11:52 PM 

No. 54 resembles a mushroom.

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PostPosted: March 21, 2013 7:56 AM 

The #24 entry with distinct surfacelayer texture contrasts the items above that.

Similar undulation of the surface layer of a small rock is found at the central area of the original full frame of the topic image from Sol 192. The pattern shows both sides of the rises are sloped to lows, and the 'finger' are wedged into the next , matched everyother, possibly giving an identification of the process of assembly.

The topic band of layers while lumpy and slightly uneven are overall very parallel.

Differing conditions, even differing materials.
The materials between layers partly removed.
Lots of activity, during erosion/alteration.
The bluish very flat smooth band layer inclined from the current surface shows yet a third layer type. Differing material again as it is blue tinted. Most all the berries are to the right side of the flat blue layer. Nearly no embedded berries to the left of the blue layer. Was the layer possibly clay layer exposing the ater/fluid saturation zone limits?
Where in the scene would the topic image series of parallel bands be formed?

Where would the two opposing curled items be placed in the original scene? They have a very flat single layer at the bottom as seen, with the large lump at the bottom of that rock.

Too many originals taken that day to re-assemble?


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PostPosted: March 21, 2013 11:37 PM 

This is how NASA describes Yellowknife bay:

"Both veins and concretions strongly suggest precipitation of minerals from water."

...You mean through the TREE ROOTS!



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PostPosted: March 22, 2013 4:38 AM 

Chris, interesting link re29! For what reason did they choose such a comparable bad resolution image of the features they use to support their conclusions? For me it looks like they either did not see the connection of the "concretions" to that blue/green rock coatings which I call blue-green bubble mats or they do not want to see it (yet?)...

Some suggestion on how they could do better (one average example among loads of hi-res examples):



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PostPosted: March 22, 2013 9:31 PM 

Why don't they drill into that?

On another note these calcium veins look alot like tree roots too.


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PostPosted: March 23, 2013 7:50 AM 

Calcium Veins.



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PostPosted: March 29, 2013 1:17 AM 

The planet Mars is becoming slowly exposed as a former different landscape, or a similar planet with differing weather and conditions, for old exposed sections.
While looking just south of the main diagonal series of volcano's we have this apparent water or weather altered mineral zone seen in portions of what would have been considered just a few years past to have been lava, lava, and rock debris.
A series of hydrated minerals showing something was happening on Mars adjacent to the volcanic flows of billions years past, with the CRISM mineral recognition showing the real early Mars viewed like a window scene through the ''venetion blinds' of hot flows and desert type desolation.

What will the eventual fully mapped planet give us for an early history?

How much of the suggestive shapes will be reinterpreted as something more akin to the shapes that appear to us?

While the latitude is at the south Highlands in the hydrated mineral exposure, this is along the undulating transition zone between north and south where interactions indicate a possible different environment.

Always room for consideration of new basic information to correct presumptions that the planet was always dry or barren.


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PostPosted: March 29, 2013 3:21 PM 

We already seen fossils. Horton nan witness no doubt,,,, has deleted me more than most. The truth is.....


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PostPosted: March 29, 2013 3:44 PM 

Now me must ask would why Hort delete me? First, let me say I love the man. He works hard to develop a constant body of work.
Now you might ask how we can reconcile the spirit, with science. I am on the side of spirit. Who we think we are is dust.....
I am Darwin of the past and dfrank39 of the present. I still miss Henry.... The true does not change......


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PostPosted: March 29, 2013 4:15 PM 

Let me guess. A condusive alkaline environment maybe. Do what they call Berries have a sense of self? Ask Hort.
Let's get to the thermal profiles. Up to 50F, that's 10C. What's the level? They aint talking. Meters aint what's-up. Micro-climate? Levin's is laughing his ass off....


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PostPosted: March 31, 2013 12:04 PM 

All exciting indeed!

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PostPosted: April 2, 2013 2:31 AM 

Someone at is stopping my posts. I have made many post attempts and sent emails repeatedly requesting clearance to finish the posts even days or a week after the postings, holding my posts here on my machine ready for replacement with a 'clone' post, if necessary, yet no responses nor any late inclusions are happening.
These late responses are crippling my attempts to make sense of posting content and continuation of ideas.
Either Windows should be adapting to this method of 'web' censoring, with a long many item 'cue-stacking' list for later correction, or , we need to know when someone is overseeing the 'nutty' security behavior of the software at the server.
Most recently is odd 'character' errors which describe 'incorrect' characters in spell checked routine text. No unusual characters present, but a denial based upon inappropriate standard spelling and web addresses.
Hope this improves or is altered to return to a standard character list security checkup upon posting attempts by contributors.
Once the posts are declined/refused, with illegal interpretations, all subsequent attempts to issue the post is denied at all subsequent timing. Alternative posts sometimes work, sometimes the user computer source is blocked as a location/address.
I have mentioned many times that this was conducted at the EBay servers years past when a run-away malware organization was controlling much of the bidding on products, and users were effectively compromised with security penetration of active bidding during auctions. Even username bidders were e-mail compromised with unpublished e-mail addresses used to force illegal bid offers from false named communicators interfering with real-time bidding activity. A 'sovereign illegal' Internet organization was 'in control' of EBay. That was solved years past, but those same servers and individuals may well be in control of the servers even these days, at the present.
There was a connection to users, in particular, and it may be an eventual cleanup required process if not subsiding.
Lets do this voluntarily before an oversight cleanup.
It's bad enough that there is an information photo content denial corruption process so obviously underway.
Photo returns as content are stand-alone at servers at the space agencies and government locations, and our finds are contained within those originals.
I will attempt to post yet again the old posts from prior weeks.
I understand this is affecting others 'onboard' the blog as well.
Thanks for any interest or assistance.

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: April 2, 2013 7:52 AM 

There are currently no comments in the spam or pending lists. I do not have the problems you describe posting here ( or anywhere else. )

Have you tried posting comments to the blog using a different computer? Do you have the same problems on other web sites?

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