rocks vs. dried mud

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PostPosted: February 1, 2013 1:11 AM 

I'd posted a question about rocks vs. dried mud a few days ago. Subject to the approval of the moderator of course. Why was it censored? I do not have a degree in soil science. This is a geology forum, or was at one time....I guess I should ask on the other forum?


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PostPosted: February 1, 2013 7:08 AM 

John, I freed your remark of a few days ago from comment purgatory. The Movable Type blog software has a bizarre set of "spam rules" that are triggered at what seems to me almost randomly. I read your rock vs. dried mud ( reply 194 ) comment and don't have a clue why it was flagged.

I usually check the "spam box" every few days, but have been extra busy with my mom's health issues this week.

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 1, 2013 3:36 PM 

about rocks vs. dried mud a few days ago,,,

Shure would like to get what you have on this,
frozen ,bizarre,planet.The very first thing a would be Student at Understanding Mars is the one thing you must NEVER,ever forget!,One Third Gravity.
So elements HAVE to take on different Priority s,,please correct me if I am wrong.

The One third Gravity explains the magical miniature sand dunes of Victoria,,The fines wrapped in unique ways.It also defines a LOT of things we haven't even Thought about.
Come let us reason together,,,,just keep it at One Third Gravity,,OK?


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PostPosted: February 7, 2013 4:46 AM 

Reading of sedimentary rocks. I read that they have to be buried and pressure applied. Now. There cannot have been enough overburden to create enough pressure to form rock. Are we looking at dessicated mud here or genuine rock?


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PostPosted: February 7, 2013 5:01 AM 

Excellent point Mr. Dough. Gravity. I asked years ago if a talus slope (angle of repose) was gravitationally dependent. I think
not now, but have doubts again after looking at images of Hyperion.


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PostPosted: February 8, 2013 4:04 AM Really, a bunch of geologists here, and no one will speculate whether this is just a dried mud pond or real rock......REALLY?

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 10, 2013 10:26 PM 

sir in you reply 3 above,,,you have managed to hit the nail perfectly square on the head.
Congratulations,,,,I feel that ALL my efforts
have paid off by this man also named John,who has perfect understanding,

John I would encourage you to PLEASE POST MORE
along the likes of your above Reply 3.

You Sir,,have made my day!

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 12, 2013 1:32 PM 

Someone with access need to clean up this

There are serious security errors in the Biology section.....DO NOT GO THERE unless
you are POSITIVE of your protection
Joh Henry Dough

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 12, 2013 1:35 PM 

That should have been Geology,,,,,,so far we have no Biology on Mars,,,

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 12, 2013 4:21 PM 


John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 12, 2013 6:35 PM 

John,I hope you understand how great it feels to have someone understand my thoughts on just how different this place is.I can hardly see any of the rocks proving to be hard,by Earth standards,,,,in fact I will go out on a limb and say that any rock failure to drill is due to metalic (meteroite) content,NOT
Made on Mars......and speaking of which should be VERY easy to mine on Mars surface.
The meteorites are what I am speaking of mining,,,,just a few,,,,just enough to find something that I cannot identify.


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PostPosted: February 13, 2013 4:52 AM 

Gentlemen, (ladies as well) The thing I find amazing is that we have seen metalic meteorites just sitting on the surface, no crater or indentation underneath. How did they get there? Maybe they hit into water and just fell onto the bottom of the "lake" or sea. If it was acidic then the rock may have disolved away just leaving the metalic components to exist to this day. What do you think?


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PostPosted: February 14, 2013 3:06 AM 

Thank you very much John Henry. I posted that hoping for opinions. I know we do not have the answers yet, but I entertain certain ideas. Glad to see a like minded person. I don't really push any theory that hard. I'm not entrenched in preconceived ideas. Mars is FULL of surprises, and having "visited Mars" every day for about nine years now, I have observed much and given great thought to what I've seen.


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PostPosted: February 14, 2013 3:48 AM 

Dishman....I have a Mars poster on my wall depicting mars a billion years ago. Some think that the icecaps of Mars extended to latitudes closer to the equator in times long past. Mars, being closer to the asteroid belt, collected more debris at the time than did Earth. If meteors impacted a thick icecap, they would not have entered the lithosphere. Sublimation of the ice cap would eventually expose the meteorites. Further sublimation would lower them to the surface. Millions of years of sand blasting from aeolian erosion would cause them be as we see them today. Iron meteorites on earth have to be cut and acid etched to see the Widmanstatten pattern. Iron meteorites on Mars show evident patterns due to millions of years of fine sand blasting. In addition to Widmanstatten patterns, they have a fine "fingerprint" type pattern not evident with acid etching. Imagine a peach. Freeze it and shave it with a microtome. Imagine now you are down to the pit. Quite a revelation. But imagine the frozen peach was eroded by VERY fine particles for a very long time, with even the pit being partially eroded. What a different picture you would have. Talk about seeing internal structure, WOW!

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 15, 2013 5:43 PM 

somehow I knew you would understand

The water went underground.

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 15, 2013 6:02 PM 

Also,,,,John,,,,I noticed on the blue board,,,our very own Serpens (with others) are talking ''mudrock''

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 15, 2013 6:54 PM 

talus slope (angle of repose)

I see you have done some study.
I would be interested to hear the question(s)
that you reference too in first post.

Our mission is to observe and (try) to identify or find Earthly comparisions.
Our Mission is to understand processes(s)
that mak up the Martian Enviroment.....Thinking out of the box is NOT going to be enough,,we are literally out of this world.

One can assume if one wishes that yhje entire solar system were made up from
exploding chunks of star stuff,,,,what if Earth happened to miss its share of ,,xwhatever....

Mars holds a wealth of information below its surface,,meteors and meteoroids,,,from ALL over the Universe....someone had asked about the meteorite on Mars standing alone on the plains,,,,originally this meteorite might have landed in a big body of water,,,or a large sand dune field,,,Eons ago,,,,,,does anyone feel the sheer Alieness of this place yet?
Just wait.
You will.


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PostPosted: February 16, 2013 2:33 AM 

I have two more posts that have not showed up here, makes it RIGHT hard to have a discussion. I might spend an hour composing a coherent statement and it just vanishes after being held for moderation. Do I feel the alieness of Mars? Indeed I do. Did meteors land in bodies of water. They did, either frozen bodies of water or liquid. As an Earthly comparison, think of the meteorites collected on the surface in Antarctica. They were once buried in ice. As for liquid water, I saw a picture of a circular hole in an ice covered lake in Siberia. A 30-40 foot hole. The photograph was taken YESTERDAY. Seems a small asteroid, or a part of it landed in that frozen lake. Now, if it impacted on ice, as the ice sublimed, it would eventually be exposed, to finally be left sitting on the surface. Remember the cobble fields of Meridiani? In the middle of all those dunes, we saw an occasional iron meteorite, and those black cobble fields. The cobble fields in my mind were stony meteorites.

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 16, 2013 2:13 PM 

We must not go so far as to say Bounce Rock is not a rock.

We will find it a much less dense,,less mass,
weight and probably a few more things.

The recent transition (recent=oh-lets-see 10000 earth years?) from mud to rock would cause going back over all rock images with this in mind.

So YES WE CAN reason together at a new/different level.
Through Mars eyes.

I think John (dontevenknowhislastnamedammmm)
has been the first to point out this very real possibility of mud,drying into rock,,might have captured whatever was in the atmosphere that would allow itself to be caught,,,pause,,,for instances,,,haven't we seen evidence of blueberries implanted inside rock?

Inside Mars is where our fortunes lie.We are going to use Mars to start the next evolving
sequence of homo sapien evolution.Anyone who lives and dies on mars will start the evolution...correction,,the evolution would be the first born on Mars,,,,do we have enough humanity to spare? duh
Anyone give a damm about ANY of this crap? duh
Kinda give a new meaning to 'Be All That You Can Be;doesn't it?.
It is happening today here on the internet,,,all over the smaller and smaller globe we call home.

John,,,I thank You, and I Praise you for such carefully thoughts comments and believe me you DO deserve it.
I am going to put your name with Hortons and Ben's.

I write almost like Dana (i think?),,,mostly hard to read by some,,(please,,no offense Dana,,
I Love You.)
You can get a whole lot of bullshit pride out of the way with those three little words.
What I was trying to say is that I wright very very fast lots and lots of errors,,,most time,I just correct errors and my proofreading stops there,,,leaving the reader to think 'What the shit????

What ever the condition of this burnt out husk of humanity (me)dead to religion,sex,money,
worldly excitements ,,, still I am smart enough to know a clue when I see one and the clue for today is''Mudrock''

On a more serous side John,,be shore and hit RELOAD before hitting post,,,,,then do nothing sometimes it takes my 6 year old XP a full minute or maybe even two,,then you will see the yellow of MRB

(oh,you find RELOAD by finding a blank place for pointer and clicking right mouse button)


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PostPosted: February 18, 2013 5:40 AM 

[link] John Henry. I've been thinking of your liquid water theory. Studying the geometrics of river meanders. On mars, there are river valleys, and there are raised exhumed fluvial features. I should think the exhumed fossilized fluvial flows would be older than the former. What I am trying to determine is, are the geometrics different? If Mars had at one time a truly wet climate in it's early history, the meanders would be more tortuous. Meanders have an evolution according to hydrologists. Say, an asteroid impacted permafrost, and there was a great release of water. It would be a short term flow, call it catastrophic if you will. This type of flow has it's own hallmarks. There is evidence of this type of flow in Mars in abundance. There is also evidence of more continuous flow, with more tortuous meanders.
I wish when we do go to Mars we send a paleo climatologist along.


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PostPosted: February 18, 2013 5:44 AM Nuther post held for approval, this is what I get (link).

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