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LWS


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PostPosted: May 17, 2013 9:11 PM 

Hort;

Re. your #379. Thanks for the first sight of the innards of the apothecia like Curiosity newberry. I suspect that if and when the story of microbial life on Mars' surface is written this image will be an important one.

Thanks also for persisting to post provocative images and ideas which can only serve to expand our knowledge of Mars as revealed by the rovers.

Winston Small

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PostPosted: May 18, 2013 12:58 AM 

Reference Hort's No. 353 and erosion...

I was looking through the Chemcam set from Sol 271. I noticed a slight difference from the first image taken or the target and the last. Several, about 13 or so, were taken in total.

Here's the first one:

Here's the last one:

When you watch the GIF of all of them, it looks like the laser strikes directly cause the white dot to become larger, which I found very curious:
http://makeagif.com/i/geD54y

According to the timestamp on Midnight Planets, the length of time between the first image and the last was 14 minutes.

From what I can tell, the target was "Sutton Inlier" that Hort referenced in No. 353 (but I am not totally sure):
[link]

Just to the upper left it seems from the obvious newberry depression indicated here:

A ChemCam image of the newberry depression:

Weird how the laser strikes on the target would cause something to emanate (soft? wet?) from INSIDE a rock (hard) above the area of the strike, no?

wildcat


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PostPosted: May 18, 2013 1:26 AM 

Okay, I think I found where it is in the Sol 267 picture (arrow points to area of post-strike white dot):

wildcat


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PostPosted: May 18, 2013 1:49 AM 

The more I look at that GIF, the more it looks like the white dot emanates FROM a newberry pad/depression/pit (but the brightness of the picture makes it difficult to tell)

If so, how extraordinary.

Maybe I'm seeing things but Hort, is it worth a closer inspection with your imaging prowess?

PWilson


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PostPosted: May 19, 2013 8:32 AM 

Long time lurker.
Made a blinker of the ??? being sliced open and popping it's top sideways.
Weird.
How to post the GIF?

PWilson


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PostPosted: May 19, 2013 8:36 AM 

Ok lets try this:

[url=http://www3.zippyshare.com/v/61595453/file.html][img=http://www3.zippyshare.com/thumb/61595453/file.html][/img][/url]

[url=http://www3.zippyshare.com/v/3359200/file.html][img=http://www3.zippyshare.com/thumb/3359200/file.html][/img][/url]

PWilson


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PostPosted: May 19, 2013 8:41 AM 

Do apologise but need to figure this out
And again:

M275-276-MAHLI-Comparison.gif

8748319640_cdcd64f937_o1.gif

Do love Blinkers.
No Crossed Eyes.
No Coloured Glasses.

*******Phil, I changed the links for both of your GIFs.

You need to include an HTML img tag in the comment for the image to appear "in-line" in the comments.

For example, I changed the first link to:

<a href="http://www3.zippyshare.com/v/61595453/file.html"><img src="http://www3.zippyshare.com/d/61595453/1331003/M275-276-MAHLI-Comparison.gif"></img></a>

hortonheardawho


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PostPosted: May 19, 2013 11:54 AM 

Sol 0276 0277 false color MAHLI animation before after brush and Chemcam LASER zaps of Cumberland rock in Yellowknife Bay, Gale crater, Mars.

You must view the original size to see the animation.

It looks like one of the LASER zaps dislodged the small chip near the center top.

I now think it is a chip and not a tear.

LWS


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PostPosted: May 19, 2013 1:49 PM 

Hort; Very nice #386. But, with respect, the most important aspect of the animation is that the brush has torn the tops of some of the other newberries and shown a similar structure of the affected newberries each having a possibly thin cap over a dark interior. Those are not laser zap effects unless the laser zaps acted like a brush on nearby surfaces.

Winston

LWS


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PostPosted: May 19, 2013 2:16 PM 

Hort and Wildcat;

I forgot to mention above that the numerous black specks in the images might be spore like bodies emanating from inside the torn surfaces. Look at their uniform smooth shape and colour (noting that sometimes two or more might be joined together) They are not typical dust.

Winston

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PostPosted: May 20, 2013 9:07 AM 

Sol 0279 MAHLI animation of the drill of Cumberland rock:

You must view the original size to see the animation.

I was kind'a surprised that the drill location was not exactly the area imaged, brushed and APXSed ( new word? ) and LASER zapped earlier.

Sure - why not add another variable or two to complicate the analysis?

As with the John Klein drilling, there are "flow" areas of a darker red dust near the drillng. Where did the darker red dust come from???


Does anyone else find it curious that the drilling vibration moved several "large" pebbles - but hardly disturbed the fine dust coating most everything?

Wildcat


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PostPosted: May 20, 2013 6:25 PM 

Winston,

I agree. The black specks do appear to be spores. Like I said earlier, this is life hiding in plain sight.

As a whole, the Cumberland patterns looks very similar to Rocknest where the "plastic" was photographed. Clearly, in different stages. The Rocknest patterns were more bumpy. These are smooth. But nevertheless, they appear very similar. Further, it's clearly related to Whitewater Bay.

The white "veins" seem to be related to the bumps. The fact that the GIF I posted shows it appearing to emanate as a direct result of the laser tells me these are not ancient mineral veins, but an active process today.

LWS


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PostPosted: May 20, 2013 7:22 PM 

Hort; re. your 389; perhaps the fine dust is not loose but cemented, electrostatically or by moisture or some bio-cement to the surface. The pebbles aren't. perhaps the bluish upward looking surfaces of the newberries are biologically repellent to the fine dust or are somehow metabolizing the dust that lands on them making them appear dust free normally.

Wildcat; re. your #390; The black specks are interesting in several ways. Why would the nearby laser blast cause jagged surfaces to rupture on several newberry tops? I think the effect was probably a delayed reaction to the effects of the scraping of the newberry surfaces by the brush and not by the laser zap. But I am probably wrong as usual.

That "plastic" again. Did NASA ever satisfactorily explain it and where it came from? I still have visions of Curi encountering several of these flying overhead later in the mission. But I tend to think of these impossible and unlikely things occasionally.

I totally agree with you about the Gypsum or other veins. They seem to me to be current growths, not veins now being uncovered by removal of surface dust. They do seem to me to be related to the bumps also. Why do they always follow the contours of the surface? Why aren't they taller or lower than their surroundings if they are harder as expected than the surrounding dusty areas? Why do most of them seem to be made up of spheres joined together. Why don't they disrupt the newberry bumps? Ever seen a newberry with a vein growing through it? The Gypsum veins on Earth are often associated with microbial growth. Why not on Mars also?

And yes! Spheres again wherever the rovers have travelled. The most efficient body form for a small partially living organism. Is their ubiquity on Mars surface telling us something that we do not want to hear? At least on Gale we don't have the excuse that they were formed billions of years ago in an inland lake and were made up of haematite. The newberries seem not to have any significant haematite content, just like several of the brownish meridian berries.

Keep up the ideas. This blog has retrogressed in the area of ideas and is now a shadow of its former self. I agree with you that there is a distinct possibility that life is hiding in plain sight almost everywhere on the surface of Mars but there are few takers on that idea. Check out my ebook, in search of life on mars. My acronym here now carries you to the amazon link.

Winston

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PostPosted: May 20, 2013 7:32 PM 

Hort; I forgot to mention above that I think that the dark reddish rat scrapings are merely from the area just below the surface and are darker because of enhanced moisture in that area, related to the martian diurnal water cycle.

Winston

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PostPosted: May 20, 2013 9:05 PM 

Clearly the same "rock":

Does anyone else see this? Or am I taking about nonsense? Stuff people have already derived?

LWS


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PostPosted: May 20, 2013 9:08 PM 

Hort; I was surmising on the basis of the single images, not the GIF. I just looked at the GIF of sol 389 and It tells a fantastic story imho. There appears to be some relatively large channels below the surface filled with numerous small spherules. Some of these channels appear to have been disturbed and uncovered by the action of the Drill. There seems to be a network of these subsurface channels the largest being directly underneath the largish flat pebble which moved only slightly while other pebbles moved more significantly depending on their placement on soil or rock supports near the surface.

That image is a significant one as it seems to indicate that there might be interconnected channels covered with a relatively thin crust of soil that was easily dislodged by the action of the drill.

The small very uniform brown microberries should also be studied carefully. What mechanism cause such perfect spheres of the same size to accumulate in these channels? What is their chemical composition?

Looks like an area that should undergo some intense study before Curi moves on.

Winston

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PostPosted: May 20, 2013 9:15 PM 

Wildcat;

Same population of newberries. size, conformation, dimples, etc. The enigmatic "plastic" adds a different dimension to the BW image that might turn out to be important in the future, or not.

I don't think you are talking nonsense.

Put a picture of the Oppy Cape York newberries next to them and complete the comparison.

Winston

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PostPosted: May 20, 2013 9:18 PM 

The plastic, the single most extraordinary thing seen so far, which NASA first said was plastic, then several days later said was native to Mars (ie., no geological identification) PLUS the newberries, which NASA says to be crunchy on the outside and soft on the inside (biggest mystery on Mars, ie., no geological identification) = lifeform

Look at my picture. The are CLEARLY the same. This is key, IMO, to identifying extant life on Mars.

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PostPosted: May 20, 2013 9:22 PM 

The plastic is key to life.

They said it was plastic. Oh wait, now it's from Mars. It fits into place right there. Note the stem. Note the dark" stem" leading directly to the hole in the ground.

The plastic formed in situ. It fits perfectly there. It belongs there.

LWS


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PostPosted: May 20, 2013 9:50 PM 

Wildcat;

I missed the the NASA release which said the plastic was native to mars. That would have been a most extraordinary statement. Can you remember where it was stated. Is there a document that states that from NASA? If it is really so it is just a matter of time before we see some more pieces of plastic, I think. Its bilateral symmetry worried me!.

Here's a colour image of the plastic in its native surroundings.

Winston

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