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Barsoomer


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PostPosted: November 23, 2012 2:44 PM 

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Levin's take on the topic.

Zoost


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PostPosted: November 23, 2012 6:04 PM 

@Barsoomer. Interesting. It would be a great rehabilitation for science.

LWS


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PostPosted: November 23, 2012 11:33 PM 

Barsoomer; I posted this around about 2.00 pm but it didn't take

Barsoomer;

Apparent givens; amorphous; not carbonates; not salts; not perclorates; widespread on mars; new one for the history books; isotopic ratios probably involved; not likely to be methane; nor formaldehyde; not likely to be another water find; The latter are already in the history books

Could it then be; amino acids; nucleotides; laevo rotatory compounds; other compounds that are characteristic of life?

Or is it perclorates again even if that is already in the history books?

Winston

Barsoomer


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PostPosted: November 24, 2012 12:03 AM 

After due consideration of various public remarks, and the likely first uses of the SAM instrument, I am leaning very strongly to chlorohydrocarbons such as dichloroethane as being the likely topic of the initial release. That indirectly implies organics. I think it likely there will be more to come when more sophisticated methods are deployed down the line.

Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: November 24, 2012 6:58 AM 

My apologies to Brian Ritchie who linked the video at #13 from Space.com, and a further link to a century old historical reference to unsolved studies of amorphous minerals on Earth, still relevant to the MSL Mars 'tip' about materials that may be altered crystalline source items or any of the possible other mixing/leaching mechanisms resulting in small dunes of particulates.
They didn't give much to guess about as yet, and this link to a long dissertation about clays, possible organic sources, and varied mineral mixes shows how much the topic is open to wonderment until the results are released.
I suspect they are going to acknowledge water content in the release of totals, being bound at even the shallow subsurface of the particulate dunes. It seems to be the general binding element of amorphous minerals as a collection, even as the minerals are indicated to be binding the water structures as a controlling factor.
1917, on amorphous minerals,
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http://www.jstor.org/stable/30062035?seq=1

Brian Ritchie


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PostPosted: November 25, 2012 1:51 PM 

Here we go...yes, we were right..*sigh*
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19426

Barsoomer


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PostPosted: November 26, 2012 4:15 PM 

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More opinions from scientists on what the results may be.

Quotes (Although differing in emphasis, it seems to me that both of these views are consistent with chlorinated hydrocarbons.):

"This is going to be a disappointment," said Chris McKay, a NASA space scientist at Ames Research Center at Moffett Field, Calif. "The press description of the SAM results as 'earthshaking' is, in my view, an unfortunate exaggeration. We have not (yet) found anything in SAM that was not already known from previous missions: Phoenix and Viking."

"What John Grotzinger was saying as our very capable project scientist on MSL is exactly the case," Garvin said. "The analytical payload on MSL---in particular, SAM as a suite---has been making unprecedented measurements of solid material samples with incredible implications about Mars, but which require, as in all science, demonstration of reproducibility and adequacy of calibration/validation."

dx


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PostPosted: November 26, 2012 5:15 PM 

Barsoomer>>>

So Bar-Baby...what they are really saying is that they have discovered 'nothing' with respect to all 17 cameras and SAM...et al

I would have expected the bare minimum of formaldehyde as the NEW data bug on Mars, which is NOT unusual on a devoid dead rocky world throughout the galaxies and universe.

All the chem-goop that this 'curious' monster can grab out of the air or on the surface are falsities compared to what it was designed to get and tell us. So far its been rich depleted of any evidence of chem-bio organism of originality to sustain life. 'This is typical of an alien robot'...dx

Mars is NOT mysterious...not at all and never has been, its just a DEAD f...ing rocky world circling the Sun. Like the Moon around the Earth and the asteroids beyond Mars.

Our wonderful Ben and I agreed long ago about any continuation of funding for this dead world. Read the threads.

I want it to be otherwise but it ain't gonna happen! Its fait accompli.

Please USA...time to move on! STOP wasting your money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!danm it!!!!!!!!

yt
dx

Mark Wilson


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PostPosted: November 26, 2012 5:38 PM 

That sounds like a drunken rant....

Mizar


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PostPosted: November 26, 2012 6:06 PM 

dx, we'll just have to wait! This monster webcam truck may be able to give us some eyebrowment lifting moments, just be patient Wink We have alteady "seen" things here, qualified to score high on a weirdOmeter scale right?

Paul Scott Anderson


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PostPosted: November 26, 2012 9:28 PM 

The official press conference schedule for AGU:

http://fallmeeting.agu.org/2012/important-dates/single/media-advisory-4

The Curiosity briefing (the first one) is December 3 at 9:00 am PT.

You can watch live here:

http://live.projectionnet.com/agupress/fm2012.aspx

Paul Scott Anderson


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PostPosted: November 27, 2012 2:13 AM 

I found a more direct link to the AGU press conference schedule:

http://fallmeeting.agu.org/2012/media-center/2012-press-conference-schedule

kevin


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PostPosted: November 27, 2012 4:45 AM 

Interesting science taking place at McMurdo (Earth) oh my kingdom for a large drill on Mars . They go on about the Icy Moons in the Solar System but these conditions could be quite possible on Mars even today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20501574

Barsoomer


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PostPosted: November 27, 2012 12:09 PM 

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Searching for bio-signatures with Curiosity.

Brian Ritchie


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PostPosted: November 27, 2012 3:04 PM 

Sounds a little more hopeful...
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Dana Johnson


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PostPosted: November 28, 2012 6:43 AM 

Looking at the left side of the MSL as it has been stationed recently, the largest rock we have had a few angled images of shows a large volume of what appears to be vacuosities, and I made an image of the discoid shape at the far left side of the rock to show a organized object within. That object 'disappears when the angle is changed in imaging, but the open spaces are very regular and indicate a crystallized mass of a patterned material, leaving voids in the solid.
Those voids well match other imaged rock voids at the MER rover landing spots and waypoints at times, so, whatever is epic or outstanding in the dune soil samples either matches the other rover findings, or gives a localized difference in the particulate dunes by locale.
What a unspecified cliffhanger has been set up for bloggers and the public.
I find the concentration on excentric concepts of bloggers comments lazy thinking and heartless after nine years of careful watching.
Thanks for the link, Brian.

Mizar


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PostPosted: November 28, 2012 3:15 PM 

Dana, what do you mean when you say the "excentric concepts of bloggers"?

Simple question, simple answer. Nothing more.

LWS


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PostPosted: November 28, 2012 3:23 PM 

testing

RW


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PostPosted: November 28, 2012 10:53 PM 

Dana, what do you mean when you say the "excentric concepts of bloggers"?

Simple question, simple answer. Nothing more.

This is only funny if you've been on here for years.

O Rly?


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PostPosted: November 28, 2012 11:34 PM 

Test

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