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zoost


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PostPosted: October 16, 2012 8:12 AM 

LWS, MPJ, indeed. This "soil" material doen't look like the talcum powder analogy NASA used in the description of Mars soil in the earlier missions. It looks damp and clumpy and very much like earth soil. Not desert sand / talcum powder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_soil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil

zoost


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PostPosted: October 16, 2012 8:53 AM 

I would like to ask you guys here if the "shiny plastic" object found by Curiosity could be blown there from the debris of the ckycrane.

Assuming that the picture of Curiosity, the backshell,the skycrane and parachute as can be seen here has North up and South down. Unfortanatly there is no Wind Direction data here in the wheather report for the first 19 sols. But it does suggest "
The pattern of pressure change across the sol is very similar from Sol to Sol. "

http://cab.inta-csic.es/rems/Doc%20Weekly%20Report/WR_report1_english_30092012.pdf

I know that the wind sensor is damaged, but they state:

"The wind sensor on the forward-facing mini-boom is unaffected. With just the one sensor, it makes it difficult to fully understand wind behaviour.

"It degrades our ability to detect wind speed and direction when the wind is blowing from a particular direction, but we think we can work around that," said Curiosity's deputy project scientist, Ashwin Vasavada. "

The example (?) wheather report states: "Blowing from the East at 2m/s". It is hard to imagine that the plastic object was blown from the path the skycrane took (from curiosity landing,to skycrane impact) to the location the plastic object was found, when the wind direction was from the East. What I'm I doing wrong here?

zoost


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PostPosted: October 16, 2012 8:55 AM 

I would like to ask you guys here if the "shiny plastic" object found by Curiosity could be blown there from the debris of the ckycrane.

Assuming that the picture of Curiosity, the backshell,the skycrane and parachute as can be seen here has North up and South down. Unfortunately there is no Wind Direction data here in the weather report for the first 19 sols. But it does suggest "
The pattern of pressure change across the sol is very similar from Sol to Sol. "

http://cab.inta-csic.es/rems/Doc%20Weekly%20Report/WR_report1_english_30092012.pdf

I know that the wind sensor is damaged, but they state:

"The wind sensor on the forward-facing mini-boom is unaffected. With just the one sensor, it makes it difficult to fully understand wind behaviour.

"It degrades our ability to detect wind speed and direction when the wind is blowing from a particular direction, but we think we can work around that," said Curiosity's deputy project scientist, Ashwin Vasavada. "

The example (?) weather report states: "Blowing from the East at 2m/s". It is hard to imagine that the plastic object was blown from the path the skycrane took (from curiosity landing,to skycrane impact) to the location the plastic object was found, when the wind direction was from the East. What I'm I doing wrong here?

Barsoomer


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PostPosted: October 16, 2012 11:04 AM 

JPL news release

The new bright material is thought to be Martian.

LWS


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PostPosted: October 16, 2012 1:16 PM 

MPJ, Zoost

Glad to see that I'm not alone in this.

Winston

LWS


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PostPosted: October 16, 2012 1:27 PM 

Barsoomer;

Great news in your reply 164! I've been trying to show through the images that I've processed to indicate that these light coloured particles were of interest.

However, I think that of even more interest might be some of the filaments, curved rods, very tiny light and dark spheres of incredibly uniform sizes, etc.

Winston

chaosman


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PostPosted: October 16, 2012 5:50 PM 

The soil look very "structured" to me and yes, it looks strange...I can see lots of colors and some filaments...I see the strange uniform sizes...would like to see a dustfree, but otherwise untouched part of the martian surface !

but I see even stranger stuff in the surroundings on the rocks and soil. Colored stuff. Is any body seeing this as well or am I alone .....?

I wonder if SAM could also detect silica based (wild speculation!) life forms? Does anybody know ?

LWS


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PostPosted: October 16, 2012 6:10 PM 

Here's a 3D of a 2X magnification of 2 MAHLI images of one of those white spots from today's, ie. sol 69 Curi releases.

Use stereoimagemaker to roam the image and see the other whos

Winston

Jason


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PostPosted: October 16, 2012 6:57 PM 

Guys...I'm no geologist but imagine if the bright specs in the soil was gold...would we be talking about a new gold rush...on Mars?
How might that speed up our investigations of Mars by private industry?

LWS


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PostPosted: October 16, 2012 7:46 PM 

Here's a crop of a sol 67 image that shows 2 different white objects of very similar size and conformation with the one shown in the sol 69 3D

Winston

LWS


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PostPosted: October 16, 2012 8:27 PM 

Another sol 67 image false coloured to show chains of aggregated dust from the surface (in orange) as well as some blue smooth, relatively dust free, particles.

Winston

LWS


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PostPosted: October 17, 2012 12:07 AM 

The last outrageous thought for the night. One thing the white thingie in my 3D above reminds me of is a broken tuber. I wonder if it could be the result of the scoop breaking one of those other thingies with the copious organized dust layer revealing an organic looking white innards. It is obviously a newly exposed object since it doesnt have the ubiquitous dust cover.

The analytical Chem results for the scoop sample should be very interesting.

Winston

mann


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PostPosted: October 17, 2012 12:20 AM 

Can;t wait till they cook this soil.

I don't have much time to spend making these images, but i will try to post what i do make.

Horton has spent much of his own precious time teaching us how to work with these images, to "roll our own", so i will do what i can, when i can, to share what horton has brought us.

what do you see, that catches your interest
in my cross, and anaglyph?

Mizar


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PostPosted: October 17, 2012 10:28 AM 

A weird "rock" on the upper right of the image. Yep, it's a "rock".

hortonheardawho


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PostPosted: October 17, 2012 1:02 PM 

sol 69 MAHLI four averaged and sharpened enhanced difference false color detail of scooped soil:

I am happy to see that some real 3D MAHLI images are being taken - including the peculiar object in the soil on sol 0065:

and the sol 66 soil trench:

I spent a lot of time looking at rocks and soil on my trip to Arizona and Utah - and I have to admire that after a hundred years or so geologists have mostly figured out the geological history of this tiny area on Earth.

I think it is way, way too early to say much about the entire planet of Mars only studied so far in the blink of a ( cosmic ) eye.

Check back in a century or two.

I will be uploading about a thousand or so pictures to Flickr from the trip in the next few days - so don't expect any new Mars pictures in my Flickr photostream.

LWS


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PostPosted: October 17, 2012 2:12 PM 

Testing to see Hort's new post on Curi

LWS


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PostPosted: October 17, 2012 4:15 PM 

Hort;

Two Great images. The last one is experimental, Right?

But about the 3D of the plastic piece. Your image is as usual the clearest and most definitive of the ones I've seen so far.

But it reinforces some niggling doubts I have about it actually being a piece of plastic.

The spherical excrescenses on the edges of the torn opening at the top of the plastic seem to be so regular that they should have been positively identified by now.

The insides have a definite structure that doesn't accord with a piece of plastic that was subject to the harsh conditions of the mars atmosphere entry.

The object does not look totally uniformly plastic in texture in your image.

The dust on the object, which your image shows more clearly than any other image, seems unlikely (by its placement) to have just got there from the movement of the Mast instruments or the soil scoop. However, for it to have come from the soil in the soil scoop seems even more unlikely.

Although by far the most likely interpretation is NASA's own, I still think that other possibilities shouldn't be excluded until NASA identifies exactly where it comes from and what was its function in the spacecraft.

Winston

LWS


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PostPosted: October 17, 2012 10:28 PM 

Here's a gif animation using the two images Hort made his 3D from above, magnified by 1.5 X.

Note what resembles a black exudate coming out of one of the top protuberances in the plastic. But of course it can't be that.

It doesn't look like a small pebble and there has been no absolutely black soil seen so far at Gale. Of course it might be a very small speck of black dust blown in from elsewhere that fortuitously landed on the bump on the plastic.

use the highest magnification to see the animation.

Winston

LWS


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PostPosted: October 17, 2012 11:03 PM 

It gets even stranger.

There was no spot on the image taken on 11th Oct at 22:23:16 UTC

The spot appeared on the image taken on 11th Oct at 22:26:57 UTC

The spot disappeared on the image taken on 11th Oct at 22:43:40 UTC

The spot appeared again on the image taken on 12th Oct at 21:35 UTC

Something seems to be quite magical about this piece of plastic where a black spot appears and disappears on and from precisely the same bump on the plastic over approximately 24 hours.

I would really like to know where it came from on the rover.

I think its still possibly our first martian.

Winston

LWS


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PostPosted: October 17, 2012 11:09 PM 

By the first martian I meant either the black spot or the "plastic" or both.

Or perhaps someone inadvertently marked the two images that showed the spot. But of course that is also impossible.

Winston

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