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MPJ


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PostPosted: October 9, 2012 7:59 AM 

re 73,74: Interesting observation but if one looks at this navcam shots one has to wonder:

Maybe MSL has not only a "minor" (drill bit) contamination issue but a big one as well.
What are this treeing/branching like lines in the navcam shots? Smile

RJS


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PostPosted: October 9, 2012 9:28 AM 


Hi MPJ... Re your #81; I noticed those treeing/branching lines as well. Reminds me of snail trails in early morning dew. I've been trying to identify this part of the rover, but so far unsuccessful. It would be interesting to know when these markings first appeared.

LWS


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PostPosted: October 9, 2012 10:06 AM 

Mark carey;

Help!
There are at least 4 posts missing (77-80) in this blog. One is mine.

Winston

LWS


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PostPosted: October 9, 2012 10:48 AM 

Here's an image from the earlier post that did not take

Winston Small

mann


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PostPosted: October 9, 2012 11:57 AM 

Strange things on this site.
such as i posted this LATE last night, it posted on the page Under Paul Andersons post.

I was looking at it, it worked fine, this morning it was gone.

chaosman


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PostPosted: October 9, 2012 1:58 PM 

Shocked

Which rover part is that ?
This is really weird...
If that is from Mars that would be ...

chaosman


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PostPosted: October 9, 2012 2:14 PM 

This looks really weird.
Which rover part is this?
If this is from Mars that would mean ....

LWS


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PostPosted: October 9, 2012 4:32 PM 

Mann;

I think you've found our first martian.

Anyone knows an earthling hitch-hiker that looks like mann's #85 which was posted before my #84 and I think before my earlier 3D on the object also?

Weird things going on on this thread.

We now have to look for some more objects like this in the subsurface as one swallow does not .....

Winston

RJS


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PostPosted: October 9, 2012 5:10 PM 


I guess I was wrong; NASA says it is a piece of plastic from Curi.

The official word - "The rover team's assessment is that the bright object is something from the rover, not Martian material. It appears to be a shred of plastic material, likely benign, but it has not been definitively identified."

Now why would they make plasstic bugs and attach them to the rover? To lure martian bugs of course. LOL.

RJS


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PostPosted: October 9, 2012 5:19 PM 


My apologies for the double post. As mentioned, this site is acting weird.

LWS


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PostPosted: October 9, 2012 9:09 PM 

NASA has identified the object as a benign piece of plastic from Curiosity.

I would like to predict here that several other benign pieces of plastic of similar size that resembles dried and perhaps even hydrated tardigrades, will be found in the weeks and months ahead by Curi.

Those pieces of plastic will have appendages and features (including some resembling "eggs") that will be reminiscent of tardigrades.

I suspect that it isn't just out of an abundance of caution that the Curi team spent so much time examining the object. If they release the images taken we may see even more curious features.

Winston

LWS


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PostPosted: October 9, 2012 9:17 PM 

Barsoomer, Mann, MPJ;

Just for argument's sake. Google tardigrades and check the number of features of tardigrades that resemble those of the strange object. Use Mann's image which shows the biological features clearly including the "mouth" and the 2 "hind legs" and possible "eggs".

I don't think it is a piece of plastic. It just might be a tardigrade that hitch hiked to Gale crater through space on Curi. The alternative is mind boggling.

Winston

kevin


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PostPosted: October 10, 2012 4:46 AM 

I have a missing post also, this object is tape or some sort of insulation that has fallen off the rover. Now Curiosity is moving about debris on the deck flung up there from the landing thrusters wake is falling off. It is not considered to be a big problem but CHIMRA has stopped work while this is investigated.

MPJ


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PostPosted: October 10, 2012 2:15 PM 

Winston, it is too big for a tardigrade - the object measures almost a centimeter. My first guess was a freeze dried cockroach which somehow managed to hitch a ride on MSL and was shaken off now by the recent sample "treatment". For my imagination that is not really a far stretch taken all the "little" contamination - and other - issues already surfaced. My second guess was a piece of ice - which developed on some part of the rover - also dropped off by the shaking.

If this would be a martian organism it could be some sand dwelling worm like critter which has been "excavated" by the sampling and then dropped out of the sample container by the shaking action. Of course this poor critter died after being removed from its underground shelter.

If it really is some plsatic from the rover it is a really wierd piece. What did they used this kind of plastic strips for on a billion dollar machine?

I also have a certain feeling that the object is not the same in the Chemcam observation and the Mastcam opbservation which they refering their rover-plastic guess from:

chaosman


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PostPosted: October 10, 2012 6:29 PM 

I think that the strange elongated, liquid looking "thing" on the rover is hard to explain...any good explanation out there ?

chaosman


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PostPosted: October 10, 2012 6:31 PM 

I'm talking about the image in reply 81.

LWS


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PostPosted: October 10, 2012 6:31 PM 

Testing re. MPJ

LWS


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PostPosted: October 10, 2012 6:46 PM 

MPJ;

You said "too big for a tardigrade". I agree it is probably too big for a tardigrade contaminant from earth.

But I am only referring to the diagnostic features of earth tardigrades as a jumping off point for getting the feel of if it might be some living organism that might share some anatomical / morphological characteristics with our tardigrades. If you look through the Google Tardigrade images it seemingly shares several of their diagnostic charcteristics, including the mouth and buccal cavity region where the structures seen under the transparent appearing skin looks very similar to the structures seen under several of the Earth tardigrade images , the hind legs / tail region and the areas that show a curling up of the body looks quite similar to a dessicating moulting tardigrade. It really doesn't look like plastic to me but I am almost certainly totally wrong.

However, I think we should look out for similar objects being unearthed by Curi in the future. For putative eggs most likely.

I also thought that it might have been unearthed by the scoop and then dropped off onto the surface where it might have succumbed to unaccustomed extreme surface conditions.

Winston

mann


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PostPosted: October 10, 2012 11:29 PM 

They should know within minutes, if the object was off the rover.
A few of them would have been living with this rover, knowing it very well, every part, every speck put on and in it.
So they know and they are letting us amuse ourselves, or, they somehow let an anomoly slip through? Rolling Eyes

Is this a pattern from nasa? Remember the Rabbit? the martian rat? That dissapeared under the rover?

They have more pics, they said they would take more of this object, or, as MPJ stated, maybe "objects", are they posted yet?

You are spot on with your discription Winston, the size is off, we know that, but it looks like a biological object.

On the scary side, they have sent bugs into space, and i wonder, if someone pushed the wrong button and spilled them ?
Since they cannot return them, they would just store them, and then take images to check survivability.
What bugs would you guys try out? Smile

LWS


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PostPosted: October 10, 2012 11:47 PM 

MPJ;

Just testing the weird behaviour of this blog again.

I've just been thinking that if the weird object was indeed taken up from the trench that It might not have been the only one there. There may therefore be a very slim possibility that 1) More of them might be seen in the MAHLI imaging of the sample and 2) If they are organic, the Chem cam instruments might find some organics in the sample and in the trench.

Winston

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