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kevin


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PostPosted: December 13, 2012 5:15 AM 

We need to be able to drill deep as we can below the surface it is protected from harmful rays and also to see if we can find some ice or chemically bound water. If the drill could as John says take samples without exposing them to the harsh elements above the surface then pop them into a SAM type lab we might find frozen microbes or even stuff living in the frozen briney gloop.

John Henry Dough


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PostPosted: December 13, 2012 8:54 AM 

Yes Kevin you'r absolutely correct.Are you still hanging out with the astronomy big shots? (lucky you,,HA)

Yes a slow rpm (10-50?) auger with a 2 inch diameter hole down the center of it is what we used at WSMR for the 7-8 years I was there.
we drilled as deep as 200 feet many times.
sampling all the way (every 3-5 ft).
A very well proven procedure simple and effective.Sigh.Since we don't have one on Mars (currently) then there is little point in talking about it.If only.,,,,Well we did
not so hats that for now.

Maybe later ESA can send one to Mars.NASA is finished,kaput,doomed,whatever.Our current peice-of-shit president is making shure of that for shure.

Sigh,,,,,,,,,of defeat.The mighty has fallen
The logical country to take up the Power to Space would be Germany.Where advances in Rocketry that are little changed today were discovered. Go Germany!! You can do it and
you know it!
JD

John Henry Dough


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PostPosted: December 13, 2012 9:24 AM 

This is a really really good place to learn about Mars.I recently joined and am reading the first article'''All about Mars Dust Cycles"

What's a Marsophile too do?
I am literally SICK of looking at rocks.
Here is the link,,,easy to sign up,,well worth it,,,,you will enjoy!
JD
http://marsjournal.org/

jcc


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PostPosted: December 14, 2012 3:23 PM 

Nasa has just recently placed several pictures from the MastCam Sol111 11-27-2012, which has a plethara of exciting things in it. I have found horseshoe crab looking things in a couple of pictures, some rocks with what apear to be letter(s) on them. several items that look organic and not rocks.. like a bush or piece of a reef or something. Check it out exciting

John


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PostPosted: December 15, 2012 3:01 AM 

About that drill. I read somewhere it is a time bomb. I say don't use it at ALL. Why even THINK of risking it????

Kevin


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PostPosted: December 15, 2012 11:15 AM 

The drill should be OK some extra wiring was installed to stop it shorting the whole Rover out.

Fsbirdhouse


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PostPosted: December 15, 2012 1:04 PM 

Posted this earlier on another thread.

The knuckles on this are all lined up.

Fsbirdhouse


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PostPosted: December 15, 2012 1:09 PM 

Not sure if the object directly below it might not be another such itself.

Kye Goodwin


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PostPosted: December 15, 2012 1:14 PM 

More rounded stones have turned up in this image, right below center:

They are much like the rounded stones imaged at Link outcrop:

Layered rock is very prominent in Curi's present neighborhood. Some appears cross-bedded, for example in the top exposed section here:

Turns out Curi didn't have to go to the mountain to find layered rock. Now what is the origin of the layers?

Jcc


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PostPosted: December 17, 2012 1:25 AM 

The JPL CURIOSITY team released a lot of interesting photos that were from 18 to 19 days ago.

In the one posted here

There is a rock in the bottom right corner with some sort of lettering. And some sort of fossilized creature in the middle
So why did they hold on to them so long? I believe there may be something forthcoming this week. What do you all think?
If you see anything else in these pictures, point it out

Jcc


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PostPosted: December 17, 2012 1:37 AM 

Look at the large rock at the right of the page, zoom in. Looks like lots of writing.

Mauree


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PostPosted: December 17, 2012 8:08 AM 

re: 350. Jcc: The lettering is interesting because it's quite symmetric. In that pic there are also so many interesting things!

- something that looks like a "vase" piece just above the lettering.

- above that on the right another piece with what it looks like a straight groove on it.

- to the left of that, I think it's the "creature" you're talking about Jcc? Four very similar stones ending with a symmetric head with an eye.

- just above it, another rock with interesting groove.

- and to the left of that near the top something that looks like a cylinder.

zoost


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PostPosted: December 17, 2012 9:22 AM 

Dear JCC, aAllthough it is fun to discuss stuff you see in the data / pictures coming from Mars, i advice you to first read the link below before posting about "fossilized creatures".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

I think if you look for evidence that life can evolve on other planets, that Mars is very inspiring as you see the evidence of materials, the building blocks of life (water, minarals, stone, etc) interact that under the right circomstances could have formed life.

But if you find a picture with a Marsian fossilized creature that would truly be Earthshaking. Keep looking!

JCC


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PostPosted: December 17, 2012 10:19 AM 

Mauree,
Yes, that is the creature looking thing.. 4 rocks lined up with a eye on the head. Very interesting. I cannot wait to have time to look deep in to these pictures to see what all there is to look at.

Mauree


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PostPosted: December 17, 2012 11:33 AM 

Zoost,

I think the sentiment is exactly that, discussion data from Mars. The symmetry of some of the objects in that picture is interesting, as are many pictures from sol111 or sol116. I also think that the quality of the MSL pictures is so good that pareidolia wouldn't necessary apply here, as there is not much missing that our brain can "complete" with what's familiar to us.

As a scientist myself (in a different field) learning from the experts here about the processes that produced those shapes is fascinating. And there's always the hope to find something "unexplainable".


Fsbirdhouse


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PostPosted: December 17, 2012 1:46 PM 

The best we can do from these images to date is label them "Items of interest".
Wow! There certainly are lots of those! Far more than we initially saw from both Spirit and Opportunity combined. (At least from an anomalous point of view)
Although that arbitrary, capricious Occam's Razor would demand these are all the results of chance, so much litters the ground, I prefer 'statuary'. And, in the case of the 'Claw'.......fossil.
The glyph....I dunno, but the four identically sized, shaped, and spaced stones in this image go beyond mere chance I'm thinking.

Fsbirdhouse


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PostPosted: December 17, 2012 2:01 PM 

The stone to the extreme right edge of this image doesn't appear to have a groove, but rather two parallel ridges in relief!(Raised)
And that my friends is a horse of a different color altogether!
That simply shouldn't be there.
This whole area just screams to be subjected to intense examination!
So very much to question.

Mauree


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PostPosted: December 17, 2012 2:30 PM 

Thanks Fsbirdhouse, those are ridges of course, not a groove.

Paul Scott Anderson


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PostPosted: December 17, 2012 6:03 PM 

A new Mastcam closeup view of one of the "bubbles" (sol 122).

JCC


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PostPosted: December 17, 2012 7:08 PM 

Have I just not paid enough attention or has NASA decided to release all or a vast majority of the photos it has been holding on to? That viewing tool mars-ogler.com is really good for being able to tell just how long NASA has held on to pictures before releasing them to the public.
So how bout it, is this a lot of photos they are releasing.

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