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Barsoomer


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PostPosted: October 29, 2012 5:10 PM 

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Some results from the DAN instrument. The H2O appears to be unevenly distributed, which might mean concentrated deposits elsewhere.

Barsoomer


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PostPosted: October 29, 2012 8:07 PM 

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Curiosity telecon tomorrow. SAM results? Here's hoping.

Barsoomer


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PostPosted: October 30, 2012 3:47 PM 

Did anyone listen to the Curi telecon and can summarize it? (Winston, thanks for giving us that summary the last time.) The questions from the media are usually the most interesting part; the panelists seem to give away little of the science results until they are prodded. They seem to prefer to focus on engineering details.

hortonheardawho


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PostPosted: October 30, 2012 5:02 PM 

sol 0077 false color panorama:

with link to selected 3D. ( I got bored doing them after a while. If anyone has one they would like to see then post the right mastcam and I will do the 3D. )

Yes, I listened to the teleconference. Summary: Golly gee whiz we are doing some really neat measurements never done before on another planet - but we can't tell you what it means - 'cause we don't know enough.

RJS


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PostPosted: October 30, 2012 7:59 PM 


I listened in as well. In addition to Horts accurate description there were a few interesting questions from the press.

Q. Has methane been detected yet? A. Umm, ahhh, well, stay tuned.

Q. Has NASA determined what the white grains were in the scooped cavities? A. No. Well yes, they are part of the Martian soil.

Q. What area or rock will NASA be doing science on next? A. Well first we have to find a rock that's scientifically interesting. (I'm sure you guys can find plenty of rocks near Curi that you would like to have examined more closely, but they can't find any yet.)

marsman


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PostPosted: October 30, 2012 11:17 PM 

From George Orwell's 1984..

Doublespeak:

Doublespeak is language that disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words. Doublespeak may take the form of euphemisms, making the truth less unpleasant, without denying its nature. It may also be deployed as intentional ambiguity, reversal of meaning. In such cases, doublespeak disguises the nature of truth, producing a communication bypass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

Doublethink:

Doublethink describes the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts. It is related to, but distinct from, hypocrisy and neutrality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

/R

marsman

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PostPosted: October 30, 2012 11:49 PM 

I listened to the recording at ustream. One thing I found interesting from the response to the questions is that the soil is 50% non-crystalline material that cannot be identified by the chemin X-ray diffraction method.

kevin


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PostPosted: October 31, 2012 6:03 AM 

Test

MPJ


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PostPosted: October 31, 2012 6:11 AM 

To me it looks like they landed a sophisticated mobile laboratory worth some billion bucks on Mars and dont know how to use it (yet?).

But at least they found out the Gale crater soil is similar to soil of Hawai - Hula Hula. Very Happy

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA16217


p.s. I think i now understand why they didn't choose the more interesting but far more complex landing sites like Mawrth Vallis...

JCC


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PostPosted: October 31, 2012 2:39 PM 

There was a photo posted either today or yesterday. The larger rock in the middle left seems to be painted, very strange looking. Or is something being covered up. Also do all the shadows look like they correspond?


http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?rawid=0072MR0562000000E1_DXXX&s=72

hortonheardawho


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PostPosted: October 31, 2012 7:45 PM 

sol 0084 enhanced difference false color 3D of Rocknest rock Burwash:

and rock Et-Then:

with location links.

Et-Then looks like a thin coating material slid down the side of the rock.

Here is the enhanced difference false color 3D of JCC's reply 250 rock:

with location link.

This is a backlit shot with lots of shadows, so there isn't a lot of color contrast to be seen.

I don't know what "seems to be painted" means.

The left and right images were taken within 3 seconds of each other -- so the shadows match.

JCC


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PostPosted: November 1, 2012 8:36 AM 

Thanks for the color enhanced photo's. I will look over them in greater detail later.
What I meant by "Painted" is that it looked as if the rock was photo shopped and a overlay of a single tan color.

Although I have a degree in Geology that I used to gain a high school teaching Job 25 years ago, my memory of everything is a bit foggy. So I feel at this time I am a novice to rock identification. Probably need to go back to school for some refresh.

hortonheardawho


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PostPosted: November 1, 2012 11:11 AM 

sol 0084 MAHLI self-portrait panorama:

YAY! The routine for a true Curiosity panorama ( rotation of the camera around the optical center ) has been written. The is only a portion of the full pan.

I will leave the full panorama as a student exercise.

Er, yes, JCC in a way the rock *IS* painted - with JPG artifacts. One of the side effects of the enhanced difference false color processing is to reveal the JPG artifacts in all their hideous glory.

BTW, JCC, welcome to the Mars Rover Blog. Hope you stay around and share your excitement of things Martian with the rest of us.

PAM


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PostPosted: November 1, 2012 1:14 PM 

After nearly 100 days of the mission we do not have a good 100 mm panorama. We still do not have good pictures (100mm camera and good lighting conditions)of the inner walls of the crater. We're wasting time on doing a self-portrait. Bayer patten CCD it also was not a good idea. Coriosity is the biggest disappointment for me for many years. I'm more and more disappointed every day. I'm glad that on Mars is still Opportunity.

hortonheardawho


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PostPosted: November 1, 2012 3:53 PM 

sol 0084-0085 "stamp" MAHLI 3D:

Wow. There will be a full 3D self-portrait at Rocknest.

We are NASA - and we show it.

Pam, I think this mission is far, far advanced of Opportunity and Spirit - and the eventual science result will be an orders of magnitude beyond the MER rovers.

I think that the tens of thousands of detailed spectra ( squiggly lines ) that will be done by Curiosity will be far more important to understanding Mars than all the pictures returned by both programs.

Yes, the 3D self-portrait is a waste of bandwidth - but it does have a huge wow factor that may convince a voting US citizen or two to support the exploration of space. That is what the entire PR effort is about.

PAM


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PostPosted: November 1, 2012 5:21 PM 

There is no doubt, detailed spectra done by Curiosity will be far more important to understanding Mars. But I can not understand why (even assuming that the images are not important) NASA has sent about 1000 of identical images performed by MARDI after landing, and only 11 (day 25) full resolution pictures of Gale crater wall (although the lighting conditions were not good). No one can convince me that it is not complete nonsense.

PAM


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PostPosted: November 1, 2012 5:48 PM 

Damien Bouic's panorama.

NASA PR guys will be happy.

kevin


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PostPosted: November 2, 2012 7:20 AM 

More science please NASA spin the wheels not the mission! Ta.

hortonheardawho


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PostPosted: November 2, 2012 11:57 AM 

Here is the complete sol 0084 MAHLI self-portrait. What I find personally annoying ( and petty ) is that - as of a few minutes ago - THREE of the 55 images in the panorama ( numbers 33, 34 and 48 ) are STILL not yet posted as full-resolution RAW images on the MSL site. You KNOW they have to be downlinked as the full size panorama was released yesterday.

Three guesses why they are not yet posted - and all three count.

mann


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PostPosted: November 2, 2012 2:15 PM 

Lets see

#1 the missing images show methane gas erupting from ground

#2 The missing images are part of a stereo pair that show fossils

#3 They do noy want horton to create a better or first self portrait

I woke up and chose the tin hat rather than my ball cap today Smile

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