Exploration of Cape York - Vol 5 - Page 11

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John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 1, 2013 4:07 PM 

Remember Please ONE THIRD GRAVITY,,,,,,this changes a Lot of made on Earth instruments Output,,,or does it??

Whether you understand the above or not please remember please we are working?/exploring?/describing?on a cold
windy (BTW:Where can I get a good Mars wind
converted to read in English..We absolutely must know the moving mass in understandable relations to the movement of the fines.Remember some of the early Large Nickel meteoroid found.Constant sandblasting for how long...at a gravity one third of earth and a wind-force of ?????
Thank you.
It is a cold,windy,different from Earth,,Planet that we are describing or I must at my most say,,'trying' in the best possible sense))

Does it have Life?
Apparently we are seeing Life in the changing blueberries/mats/what-ever-the f**K's,,,pardon my french.


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PostPosted: February 3, 2013 12:42 AM 

X-eye stereo. Weird berries including

(1) A cone-shaped berry.

(2) A berry with a pedestal extension.

(3) An elevated berry attached to a surface ridge (not a wind tail).

Kye Goodwin

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PostPosted: February 3, 2013 3:02 AM 

Barsoomer re your 199, my 198, If the spherules are responsible for most of the orbital Hematite signature, which seems pretty well established, then we would not expect to see hematite on Cape York because the soil surface there, unlike most of the Meridiani traverse, is not crowded with loose spherules . A few spherules have now turned up at Cape York but not enough to be seen from orbit. Also, preliminary indications are that some are not hematite, but that doesn't have to mean that they are not related to the hematite spherules.

I think I may have over-stated my case some in 198. Spherules with the same pancam color and the same Mini-TES spectra sampled en-masse were imaged all along the traverse, so it is reasonable that there were hematite spherules present everywhere. But, we got so used to seeing spherules of that color that spherules with another color would not likely be recognized as spherules at all, unless they happened to be micro-imaged. There could be more variety than we know outside Cape York.

Good idea looking to the pancam color of these Cape York spherules for a clue. The first example in Horton's 197, from Whitewater Lake, seems to show the hematite-blue spherules we've come to know. Horton, is that the same Horticolor assignment of colors to filters that has formerly painted the berries blue?


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PostPosted: February 3, 2013 10:03 PM 

I believe there was some "difference color" method that painted the blueberries red.

Actually, I also suspect the blueberries and newberries have a common origin but I like to entertain a biological hypothesis where the organisms that created the fossilized berries are gone and different mineral replacement regimes have replaced the original organic material with different minerals depending on where the bio-mineralization took place.


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PostPosted: February 4, 2013 11:09 PM 

Berries attached to dendritic (branching) ridges?

As Winston said: "botryoidal" (in grape-like bunches).


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PostPosted: February 5, 2013 6:43 AM 

Could the berries be fossil clinkers, formed in similar methods as cement clinkers?


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PostPosted: February 5, 2013 1:19 PM 

So what is this thing, metal or crystal?
Being in the configuration it is, I'l leaning toward the metal option.
How else could it survive the surface conditions being a 90 degree, slender, bent object it is?


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PostPosted: February 5, 2013 1:48 PM 

I thought I was posting link to image instead of a second picture itself.


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PostPosted: February 6, 2013 12:43 AM 

Soil migrating over rocks might be an important source of weathering on Mars.

J. Chris Campbell

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PostPosted: February 6, 2013 8:13 AM 

post 208, That reminds me of the way the soil looks on a baseball diamond after a fresh rain. Does it rain on Mars?


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PostPosted: February 6, 2013 11:53 AM 

There are some excellent anaglyphs of the newberries by Waify on the blue board.

JCC: Frost has been observed by Opportunity and Viking, snow has been seen in the distance by Phoenix, and Hubble images indicate fog in Valles Merineris. It probably has not rained on Mars for 3 billion years or so.


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PostPosted: February 6, 2013 10:06 PM 

For those without red-blue 3D glasses.


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PostPosted: February 7, 2013 11:30 AM 

Latest update from the Planetary Society always a good read:


John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 7, 2013 7:18 PM 

i enjoy x-eye

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 9, 2013 5:36 PM 

gentle reminder folks...one-third gravity here in action;;;this photo;;;.
Things are going to expand further with less restriction.
So this means a lot of numbers are going to have to be invented to describe,,Mars ambient.
This must be written from a One-Gravity mindset ie.us,,the authors.
So how do we go about cataloging these observations?
I leave this to others,,,merely an observation on ,my part.
Thank You Greatly
a joe in Texas


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PostPosted: February 10, 2013 9:43 AM 

sol 3216 ( Feb 9, 2013 ) false color panorama at new site BXFP:

with location link.

Still going north? If the goal is to go south then why is Oppy now about 70 meters north of Whitewater Lake?


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PostPosted: February 10, 2013 1:46 PM 

Note the faint impression of frond-like remains in the rock. Also the berries and the berry "cup" where a berry might have previously been. It's difficult for me to imagine anyone seeing the newberry images and not considering a biological explanation. I hope they take as many images as possible of different exposures of newberries on the way out of the "Ben formation."

Regarding the northward path, from the TPS report:


In coming sols, once Opportunity completes its study of the spherules - "which will take a while," said Arvidson - the rover may then be directed to go in search of that main contact or boundary line between the older Kirkwood/Whitewater Lake/ Copper Cliff bedrock and what the scientists believe is the overlying Shoemaker Formation. "We don't know exactly where the contact is other than it's gotta be uphill," said Arvidson.

Kye Goodwin

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PostPosted: February 10, 2013 2:20 PM 

Barsoomer re your 217 that notes "frond-like remains in the rock". Turbidites sometimes show "frondescent" patterns, for example:

ttp://www.marin.edu/~jim/ring/images/frond.jpg From: [link]

Turbidites are another example of finely-layered sediments that form catastrophically, in this case from underwater landslides. Hydro-volcanic base-surge sedimentation has attracted more attention as an analogue for layered Martian sediments, but I think that turbidites will also have something to teach us about Mars. Of course the best source of information about Martian surge sediments is Mars. When mainstream Mars Science finally wakes up to impact surge sedimentation there will be lots to study and likely quick progress in our understanding.

John Henry Dough

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PostPosted: February 10, 2013 6:05 PM 

'' When mainstream Mars Science finally wakes up to impact surge sedimentation there will be lots to study and likely quick progress in our understanding.''

Very well stated.


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