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Serpens


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PostPosted: August 2, 2011 9:41 AM 

Not at all. I am referring to Gilbert's press release picked up by New Scientist and his subsequent retraction. The absolute silliness of his claim was identified within hours by amateurs, not scientist for goodness sake - it was that obvious. Dr Levin made claims on a TV interview at that time that his son's discovery of liquid water confirmed his assertion of life on Mars – strange that he never retracted the claim and also a bit of a credibility problem that he himself failed to identify the obvious flaws in his sons claims.

MPJ


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PostPosted: August 2, 2011 9:55 AM 

"Dr Levin made claims on a TV interview at that time that his son's discovery of liquid water confirmed his assertion of life on Mars "

This would absolutely be true for Levin seniors case (life on Mars)! He not sad something wrong here - the only mistake has been made by his son. Even as his son retracted his claim in this case, liquid water which has later been observed on the Phoenix lander struts makes another strong data point for G.Levins LR experiment detected life on Mars back in 1976.

No matter how the "scientific community" (aka NASA astrobiologists) wants to turn it around...more and more data points gathering as time goes by to support the positive results of G.Levins VLR experiment. I expect it to reach the tipping point when MSL confirms organics in its chem lab which apparently is the last hold against the LR life detection in 1976. Very Happy

John Henry Dough


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PostPosted: August 2, 2011 12:15 PM 

pardon me while i drop off a copy of the MSL life detection package
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http://iangoddard.com/redrain.htm
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back to the regular bullshit about a moot point,,
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oh,oh,oh,staying alive,,

dx


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PostPosted: August 2, 2011 4:22 PM 

MJP>>>

Look, once and for all would just get it out of your liquid system that the Levin report is way too moot and extremely weak to resolve AND consider as ANY issue of a life form that ever existed on MY MARS. THERE HAS to be a confirmation of fuckin- data which is NO where in sight. So please STOP the nuisance attitude you formulate on this blog! Its annoying to say the least...please start by reading real MARS material instead of stuff you want to hear!!! Get with it boy/girl...you're out of touch/step with the rest of us. Mawrth Vallis is LONG GONE as a Curiosity site...please don't bore us any longer and spare the MRB bandwith with any comeback...! PLEASE.

yt
dx


MPJ


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PostPosted: August 2, 2011 4:55 PM 

Wow take it easy dx, I nor anybody else wont steal your Mars and data will come when the according experiments/measurements will actually be taken at some point in the future on Mars AND everybody is ready for them. Smile

anySerpen


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PostPosted: August 6, 2011 11:04 PM 

Water on Mars went to comets.
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-647737

Serpens


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PostPosted: August 6, 2011 11:25 PM 

This is a post link to a (not CNN) report) by linliangtai who has posted under that name (and a couple of aliases) on this forum about finding red blood cells in rain, meteorites and seeing signs of fossilised blood vessels in rocks on Mars. Also will on try to crack your PC protection so don't touch any links from this somewhat disturbed individual. Rolling Eyes

MPJ


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PostPosted: August 8, 2011 3:56 AM 

Latest ESA/MEX/HRSC release featuring the north polar cap of Mars during the summer solstice:
hhttp://www.esa.int/export/esaCP/SEMA4VITPQG_index_1.html#subhead1

note from the caption: "These processes bear witness to a dynamic water cycle on Mars and may lead to the varying accumulation of water ice over the polar cap."

John Henry Dough


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PostPosted: August 9, 2011 6:54 PM 

Thanks serpens I really needed that.All-though I
DID post the wrong link in error,

[link]

Brian Author Profile Page



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PostPosted: August 10, 2011 6:11 AM 

"No matter how the "scientific community" (aka NASA astrobiologists) wants to turn it around...more and more data points gathering as time goes by to support the positive results of G.Levins VLR experiment. I expect it to reach the tipping point when MSL confirms organics in its chem lab which apparently is the last hold against the LR life detection in 1976."

Sounds like sense to me.

LWS


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PostPosted: August 10, 2011 6:44 AM 

Brian; Is that really you??

Winston

Brian


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PostPosted: August 10, 2011 11:06 AM 

Hi Winston - you mean you actually remember me? lol I have popped in occasionally but haven't posted for a long long time. I have been so busy with my new hobby - astrophotography - it has taken up most of my time. Rolling Eyes

Brian


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PostPosted: August 10, 2011 11:09 AM 

...if you're interested you can see some of my efforts on my facebook page... Wink

Brian


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PostPosted: August 10, 2011 11:11 AM 

..or on my site come to think of it...

Brian


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PostPosted: August 10, 2011 11:18 AM 

Or better still on my webpage.....

LWS


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PostPosted: August 10, 2011 5:19 PM 

Hi Brian

Looking forward to your posting on endeavour soon on this forum.

Winston

Brian Author Profile Page



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PostPosted: August 10, 2011 5:21 PM 

Yes, looking forward to new discoveries!

Serpens


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PostPosted: August 10, 2011 10:28 PM 

John Henry Dough. Just for clarity. I gather your # 89 refers to my #87. How can it be a mistaken link when it refers to the subject matter in the post (which the #89 link does not)? It has been clear over time that John Henry Dough is just one of a number of aliases used on this forum by a certain individual but use of my pseudonym in yet another weird post is just plain rude. Serpens by the way is a constellation that has some minor significance for me. anyserpen is…just weird.

Brian


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PostPosted: August 11, 2011 5:05 AM 

It just seems to me that the general " drip drip" accummulation (forgive the pun)of evidence regarding water from both landers and orbital probes, the discovery of perchlorates by Phoenix, which when heated would destroy carbon compounds (even if the Viking instruments had been sensitive enough to detect them)and the fact that the Viking results have never been reproduced satisfactorily using purely chemical means - all this leads an unbiased observer to conclude that the best explanation for the labeled release results was the presence of microbes...

BTW, sorry about the plethora of posts about my site - I meant just to mention it once, but wasn't sure about the facebook link - then I thought the second one hadn't posted, then found out I couldn't delete the posts (or can I?).....

MPJ


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PostPosted: August 11, 2011 5:22 AM 

Brian, re your 99: thats exactly my unbiased line of thinking - follow the facts. As i sad before I would accept a no-life on Mars working hypothese also if there wasn't the clearly positive results of the Viking LR and the now supposed to be flawed (due to the possible presence of perchlorates at the Viking landing sites and general lack of sensibility as shown in Antarctic soil on Earth) organics detection experiments (GC-MS) of the Vikings which led to the conclusion there cant be no life regardless of the LR results.
I think NASA's approach of ignoring the Viking results on the life on Mars issue in light of the new data from Mars today is not scientific anymore (not really have been in the 70's as well but was somehow understandable back then and Levin didn't moan about it but kept researching the LR results up today).

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