movement, repeating objects

Of the 3 objects in this image, 2 of them move, or change. One of them is in a coil, the round object. It is tube-like on one end, and towards flat on the other.The object above it, has a berry in its grasp.
It has one end, embedded in the soil.
The 3rd, on the left, looks sorta like a nautilus, with something coming out the crease.

In this image,3 sols later, for sure, the coiled object, is Not coiled. The berry grasper, is not grasping. Image quality is not great, but good enough. The nautilus, is blurred?

There is no right image for good stereo, for the first, but here is both in what i can do.

Here is a crop, of the first berry grasper from way back, at another location, that one great poster pointed out.

Here is one that i like, tube, flat body, and head? collar?

movement and many replicas.
I have more of the same thing.

The coiled object, it would look the same, if it were all the way uncoiled.

That's a great collection mann -- thanks.

Mann:

[To others, this is off-topic, so please don’t let it hijack this thread…]

Back to your Object1, which Oppy crunched on Sol 27:

Have you examined the MI photos in the few days following the crunching? It just seems to me that some of those photos might catch some of the “debris field” left over from the scene of the crime.

I recall once you said they RATTED right near the debris field: what Sol was that, and did NASA/JPL publish any MI’s of that RATTING?

The following MI is from oppys Sol 29, and I wonder if it might be part of the debris. I personally have never gotten past the little “crab” in this image, and wonder if maybe he lived in your Object1.

mann,

Could I have you post the Sols for Reply 0?

Thanks!

V/R

marsman

1st, before, sol 37

2nd, after, sol 40

Bottom image, its on the island.

I'll get back on the colour image.

I have experienced a major computer glitch. A computer gremlin, has reorganized all my digital images.
They Were, sorted by, original...crops...Original...crops. The crops had no numbers., just names, "bunny" "fossil" etc.

My computer put them in order by numbers, then after that, put my crops in alphabetical order.

Thanks Windows

I have hundreds, of crops to make stereo to see If what i have cropped, is realy an object, or not. I want to improve the crops, so i need the originals.

Heres one of those things, from my top post.
It is not the best quality, but it will do.

It is emerging from a hole.
Like the berry grasper above, It looks Like it can reach out from this hole.

Hey Mann:

Why did Oppy come back to your original "object" on Sol 37 after squashing it on Sol 27?

Any ideas yet??

Well, mann, I will see what I can do to help you get your collection back on track again:

V/R

marsman

mann,

This is about the best I can do with this particular object in Reply 0:

I will also add these animations to this thread:

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marsman

This one has been a long time favorite of mine:

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marsman

Dang marsman, thats a good crop of that round thing, Can you do that to the, after, image?
I was try to make a stereo crop, of reply 9, and noticed a big difference of this thing at the bottom of the image.
Stereo can be a good tool to notice changes. If everything lines up, expect one thing, it stands out.

Henry, just like us, they are probably looking at things that change/move.

They rolled back and fourth for 2 months, in eagle crater.

Marsman, why can't i see animation, My end?

mann,

Replies 7, 8 and 9 all contain animated GIFs that blink the before and after pictures at a one second interval. The round thing definitely looks like it opened up a bit between sol 37 and sol 40 in Reply 0.

It sounds like it might be a problem on your end. Try downloading the animated GIFs to your computer and see if they will play in Internet Explorer. Or try dowloading them and playing them on a different computer.

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marsman

Hi marsman & mann,
I can't find the object in reply 8>animation 2. Would you mind posting references. And Great find thank you.
I think these findings deserve international coverage. Why is no one in the media interested?

a1call,

For the first animated object in Reply 8:

before (Opportunity Sol 37 PanCam):

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after (Opportunity Sol 40 PanCam):

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For the second animated object in Reply 8:

before (puffed up) Opportunity PanCam Sol 16:

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after (flattened out) Opportunity PanCam Sol 18:

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scidude made the second animation in Reply 8 possible by taking parallax into account when making this post:

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marsman

What on Earth (or Mars) is all the fuss over these objects? With the exception of the 'bunny' ear in reply 7, I don't see any change in these objects other than lighting and/or a slight change in angle. On the animated gifs I can still see at least the outlines of the objects when they appear to move between frames so to me its just lighting/different filters. In 14 the shapes look the same - different lighting certainly but the same basic shapes look to be there.

Ian:

The fuss is that we are looking for the object exhibiting signs of "biological movement". If we find such an object, we will "vet" it on this Forum, until there is a consesus that it "moved" biologically.

"Biological movement" can be some sort of locomotion, like crawling. Or it can be a "growth", like an extension of a stalk or an increase in a diameter.

I am fully aware of the rationale for what you are attempting. I just don't think that you've got anything like the evidence yet, despite a1call's call for splashes in the international press. I contend that these are 'ordinary' rocks (ie inanimate mineral structures)photographed in different lighting and slightly different angles and that's all you've got.

Henry, a1call and mann:

The object in Reply 7 has been acknowledged to "move" by NASA/JPL but is claimed to be "a piece of airbag material or something similar".

Please keep in mind, that there are going to many people that simply do not see anything that "moves" on Mars for one reason or another and to respect their opinions.

Just do your best, and continue looking for anything that appears to "move" and for repeating shapes and forms. Some images of items or patterns that look questionable will also be helpful.

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marsman

Henry, alcall, ups and mann,

I will also add that optical illusions and tricks of light are valid counter points to all the examples is in thread.

That being said, let's continue the search and keep on posting possible examples of movement, repeating objects and repeating patterns. I'm going to look at the MI images for Oppy. One of the repeating shapes and forms that I am seeing are the presence of microfilaments in the Martian soil all the way up to the current Sol.

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marsman

Marsman, that's right, although the only reason I don't see movement here is not because I have some agenda or 'on the side of NASA' or any such conspiracy reason, its because I am looking for evidence and trying to look from all (scientific) angles. On the cone-like structure for example in reply 14, the object is quite clear in the first posted image and at first sight looks different in the second image but when I look closely I believe I can still see exactly the same cone shape in the second image even though its almost washed out by the illumination. When you do a blink comparison fairly rapidly between 2 photos like these (eg the second blow-up in reply , the cone appears to open out but I contend that its because the illumination is different and you have a hard time seeing all of the object but its still there and still the same.

I would add, as I have before, that if there is incontrovertable evidence of something moving (crawling, growing, whatever) under its own steam, then I will jump up and down in excitement as high as anyone else here but so far 'simple' explanations of rocks, erosion, dust, changes in lighting and angle can (IMHO) explain all that's seen.