Frivolous Pseudoscientific Discussion

Please move the majority of the posts on the Biology Section here. The three of us promise not to laugh, make fun, or refute what is posted in this topic. Just keep the other topics to the science (including rational hypotheses regarding life and fossils), so we can cotinue to question the observations and science of the actual NASA mission without having to wade through the...well, crap, crud, bs, do-do, (insert witty comment here), etc. Thank you.

You are awfully smart and quite scientific - who ever you are --- ups gives you a virtual hug.

Do you feel better..?

All jokes aside there are quite a few threads in here that should be in the open forum.

---ups

I'll agree to that.

Heck, I'll even make up some outrageous speculation just for the fun of it as long as it is in the furum titled "Frivolous Pseudoscientific Discussion". If the Amalgamation can do it, I can do it too!!

Tom - you are an evil scientist

I agree. The geology forum is better but still some whackos get in there occasionally.

I would prefer to limit this forum to a reasonable attempt at hard science, not ink blot interpretation. I think both bio and geo forums should be held to the same level of discusion. We shoudl at least be making serious proposals and discussing them.

Even the thread on letters on a rock, that isn't even biology!

so, are you claiming another rock etched those letters?

please support your conclusion.

Back to the subject of this thread. We do need a new forum category for the RW type of posts. If he doesn't like the title "Frivolous Pseudoscientific Discussion", we could call it something more amicable like, "Extreme Speculative Discussion". That leaves it open to all the funny thangs anyone wants to say.

In all seriousness, the word "Pseudoscientific" usually implies a higher standard than what we sometimes see posted here.

It so cold in here!

Is this all there is to pseudoscientism? Am I a member yet?

Do any of you have room for a grasshopper and a small insect or similar, perhaps a frog, or a prince? I don't think I understand pseudoscientism yet, I'm headed back to the regular biology area to warm up. That sure was a strange experience. I feel like I have
bugs from a strange planet crawling all over me.

Dana says;

I don't think I understand pseudoscientism yet"

No Dana, you understand pseudoscientism perfectly. All of your and RW's posts belong here.

Greg.
You requested openly that we start a new forum to address Extreme Speculative Discussion as a way of providing a place for fair open exchange of Ideas concerning biology claims.
While I am not opposed to this I do feel that it already exists in the open Forum and really cannot see an advantage. By your actions in all of the other forums I believe you would continue to harass the folks in a new forum in the same manner that you and others do now. If all you did was to give your opinion and state that it is your opinion, I wouldn't have a problem but you seem to strive hard to have the last word always and while you balance on the edge of personal insult you do make very negative personal inferences.
I would have to have some kind of assurance that this would not take place in this type of forum that you suggest and I would feel it necessary to Moderate it intensely which would add greatly to the time I already spend.
Richard

Richard,

I tend to agree with Gregp, and if you ask virtually anything that knows about the intended subject matter of this forum - any self respecting biologist would consider these hallucenogen inspired ramblings to be totally preposterous.

The ground rules for this forum require "serious scientific discussion". I would suggest that most of the posts on here should be in the open forum.

This forum is currently a joke, and I have no doubt that it's the laughing stock of NASA.

It's sad but true that the general population of the world receive next to nil scientific training and are blissfully ignorant of such matters.

Ask any geologist, biochemist, biologist or astronomer and you'll get the same answer.

I don't intend to waste any more of my time here, and potentially harm my reputation by contributing to this kind of charade unless the forum is moderated according to it's stated purpose.

.... its stated purpose.

Gee whiz guys....
Most people in the whole wide world probably think there is no reason to even begin to discuss any type of biology on Mars and most likely think that we are all wackos. Shouldn't we all lighten-up a bit and be thankful that we have pictures from Mars to discuss and this very open, if imperfect, forum to discuss our ideals and thoughts.

If it is so important that *strict rules* be followed then perhaps Richard could move the more silly topics to the open forum. (Right, like Rich wants to be the baddie and decide what is silly or not). Perhaps we could just not be so picky about where things get posted.

The very existance of a biology forum is true speculation and I fully understand the more scientific minded among you completely avoiding this forum. This is indeed my point that another forum is not needed (maybe renamed) as in the opinion of most, Biology on mars is by definition Extreme Speculative Discussion. we are only able to speculate because all we have to work with are photos. For that matter much of the geology is based on speculation also as the true geologic history of Mars has not been proven although speculation in this department is much less controversial.
No matter what move I make as a Moderator I cannot please everyone but I do believe all should have a voice. Greg's opinion of me as Moderator is that I have done nothing and yet I find it necessary to spend more time every day mopping up the mess.
This is very frustrating for me.
Richard

Rich,

Since you have become moderator, there has not been, to my knowledge any more stealing of identities. I, however was never a victim of that and never did it myself. And, I NEVER posted under any name other than gregp1962.. In that respect, it has been good to have a moderator and I appreciate your efforts.

However, the real problems that we have had in this forum have not been aleviated by moderation. (Identity stealing was more of an anomoly) As I see it the two propblems that make this forum a "joke" in some people's minds is;

1) Posting of claims that have NO chance of being real.
2)Persons who post under more than one name.

In my opinion, the first problem can be alleviated by the establishment of a new forum called "Extreme Speculation". In a forum with that title, even the more serious minded should respect a person's right to post any far out claim people want to post.

Registration would help in problem #2. And, if anyone is caught posting under more than one name, they should be banned. Or, at least disclosed that they are the same person os same IP address.

If the forum or moderator is aware of anyone posting under more than one name, that would be complicity in the deception. I hope that is not the case.

In other words, the moderator should feel obligated to disclose such deception......of course.

Sigh.

Perhaps this thread should be relabeled -- frivolous discussion about frivious discussions about frivious duscussions about...

The only reason I bothered reading this thread is that was no new data from the MERs today.

I think I reexamine some old images and make some new stereo pairs...

(MMMUUSSTT NOT PUN...)

Greg
Please read reply 11 and understand I am not resisting this I am just doubting it would do anything for anyone.
As far as persons posting under several names, when I check the Ip address of certain people there is no connection and this is the only means that I have to check this. Reid has openly said that he is RW and his wife is OofD. I do know of at least two others and they are not connected with anyone you have pegged as being Amalgamale but I have decided not to make an issue of them but rather I requested they desist and they have.
"In my opinion, the first problem can be alleviated by the establishment of a new forum called "Extreme Speculation". In a forum with that title, even the more serious minded should respect a person's right to post any far out claim people want to post."
I still have no assurance from anyone that you would not continue harassing in the new forum.
Richard

How many different ways can you whine about the same thing? If you don't like the topic ignore the topic and it will quickly sink to the bottom of the page. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

---ups

Rich says;

"I still have no assurance from anyone that you would not continue harassing in the new forum."

Oh please Rich........I all I do is state the obvious. As I have said, the opinions I have expressed have been rather bland and obvious. That is NOT harrassment! Did I not just say that if we had a forum of that title, everyone should be expected to tollerate such speculation no matter how far out it is?

Again, the biology forum states "This forum is intended for serious scientific discussion regarding biology on Mars." Moderation would mean removing most of RW's posts along with a few others in accordance with that stated purpose of the forum