The microscopic images-- moss?

Hello,
I stumbled upon this forum while looking for information on the rover microscopic images. I have noticed some fibers in the photos and did some searches. I now know what Pele's hair is, for example.
Still I see small plants frquently in the photos, generally mosses and ground covers. I have four years of horticulture under my belt, and some of the microscopic images seem to show mosses. I am looking for comments pro and con on that.
For example, Spirit sol 228 shows outrageous fibers that definitely look like moss.
One more thing: If anyone is thinking about dissuading me from believing that there are artifacts in the photos, you will waste your time. I have seen far too many objects to believe this "It's a rock" nonsense. I am not trying to bring attitude here, but I am merely explaining where I stand. There are artifacts and structures in many of these photos. If you don't think I should believe (or say that) then you may as well use a squirt gun to put out a forest fire.

There are many examples of this "moss" like substance. However, it could be mineral based.

You have to really spend a long time looking at these photos to get some perspective as to what is likely biological vs. what could also be mineral.

Having said this, some of the "moss" like stuff that I found, I have placed into a categories, where, if I was driving the next rover, I would check these out for potential.

My advice is to match up your best examples of what you believe to be biological with several other features that recur and are associated along with each example, to form sets of categories for the "moss." Look for alignment to a similar or an opposing axis, as this is compelling evidence against a mineralogical likelihood. At least in my book.

There's a lot of cool stuff up there, but some of it is very deceiving. That's why repetitive sets and categories of recurring themes are so important. One example doesn't mean a whole lot, but similarly associated features, recurring in the landscape, are some of the most interesting work a serious and dedicated investigator of these photographs can do.

Good luck, and if I get some time, I might post a few of my faves here. I worked hard on this stuff for about two years, and it can become an obsession, but I saw some very curious REPEATING objects and features, including very strange pairs and sets of object.

Good luck, and feel free to post a pic. or two of what you're interested in. I might have something similar to match up.

OK RW that's an interesting reply. I have a few surprises for you folks here, when I get the time. You are right, there are a number of things where where I was temporarily fooled by a photo. It takes intense study. I will be around, possibly a regular here.

Art; I won't attempt to dissuade you because I believe you are sincere.
However, in my 50 yrs as a geologist I have seen all manner of (repetitive0 things in outcrops to thin sections that appeared to be organic but turned out to be "just rocks"

Ben, How many things (in outcrops to thin sections) have you seen that were thought to be just rocks years ago but have since turned out to be either fossilized tissues or material whose current form was mediated by micro-organisms? (what about rust? what about tetanus?)

Winston

art>>>

I am with Ben on this and have been for years. For almost the total length of time of 5 years since the Rovers landed we have had an exhaustive array of 'sightings'. As energetic as Raptor Witness [RW] is or was on mosses or filaments all or most were placed into the rock category as Ben has explained.

I don't speak for all of course, there are many good folks that have left this blog because of the inability of a deeper look into the problem you wish answers to. The Rover machines just can't answer because they don't have that type of equipment on board. As RW says there are plenty of good examples in his library.

We know Mars to have a wide temperature swing totally dissimilar to Earth during the planets seasons and the geological Rovers were sent to investigate and hypothesize on water and rocks.

Have you had a chance to read any of the articles in the Phoenix Lander thread?

Have fun,

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dx

Ben: When I see one photo after another with buildings, tunnels, even towers in the distance, I know I am not imagining it.

DX: I have not read much here. I will take a look when my work schedule permits.

I do have training in some fields (photography, horticulture) and my ONLY goal is disclosure. Remember that. My philosophy is simple. ANY contact with alien beings or civilizations, or knowledge thereof, past or present, is in the public domain as far as I am concerned.
If anyone is interested, I have a bunch of videos on You-tube, most of them disclosure videos. Use the same nickname, Artifactsofmars. See you all soon.
AOM

Winston; None with the tools I had available but maybe some if I had an electron microscope.

When I see one photo after another with buildings, tunnels, even towers in the distance, I know I am not imagining it

What? Doesn't this thread belong in against the mainstream???

I am pretty much a lurker here. I used to post regularly.
You have to admit that a someone like Art makes this blog more interesting. Its been relatively dull around here for a while.

Stan

Serpens: Maybe that is where I should post. Still I am here to learn, and there are a few people here who have some things to learn from me as well.

I may seem dull, but I have soo many photos to make scene about, and I also, have seen items which are either singular occurrences, or patterned repeated shapes which I could not expect were non-biological, after tens of years of enjoying the 'hobby of rocks and minerals. I found the items in the Mars photos, and I almost never have any similar discoveries in any Earth sourced rocks, minerals, mixes of the rocks with sedimentary consolidated particle matrix bindings, nor any other unusual Earth type geology final objects. It seems we are looking on Mars at a run-away, or a 'forced' set of processes which are very heavily predominate in a ordered, or 'highly' ordered state. Earth has the quality of relaxing the ordered state of materials and Mars carries items perhaps steadily towards the crystalline and ordered patterned appearances. I believe that is a partial explanation, based upon the climate and conditions with normal materials for building blocks.
I also suspect there may be an additional hand or force applied to bring Mars in the recorded 'geologic' apparent materials towards a state which we would tend to recognize as a biological equivalent ordered condition in a percentage of the total examined small items.
The problem is the artifact record is simply ordered and repetitious. The crystalline forced structures at colder and non-liquid affected climate terms are ordered at the visual scale, and the processes of chemistry and geology are not seen on Earth in the climate and conditions of Mars.
I intend to go back to some of the very small items found during the past five years of MER rover discoveries, and re-process some of the better candidates for a more experienced reviewing of the evidence I found. I would hope "artifactsofmars" will be doing similar presentation of some of the images, if they are as yet available.
I am still reasonably sure I have seen objects at small scale which could be interpreted as possibly biological, in the MER rover images.

Here is one at a small size, which is actually a man-hole sewer drainage sized bright spot, in a room sized partitioned area with a bright border, and it is a HiRISE polar vent on Mars from the source ESP_013049_0945. I would liken this to 'lichen' patterns approximately, but the temperature probably averages around -100*F for the scene.
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Here is another. This is a sol 056 image from the Opportunity rover micro-imager, and is a considerably enlarged image of what appears to be a worm with a 'light sensing pseudopod'.
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In both cases the facts are not resolved. We may be fifty years to eliminating or confirming the presence of fossils or cast replacement replica's of former living objects on Mars. It may be both are geological or chemical ordered crystalline similarities to Earths biology objects in general appearances.

Keep in mind we have Earth eyes and will see Earth things. This works against us on Mars as any true alien lifeform could get past us without noticing it. We are to busy looking at the buildings and amuzement parks in the distance.

Fred