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danajohnson


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PostPosted: April 14, 2004 9:35 PM 

I have been away again for two days and I have produced a few photos not uploaded to a web site as yet, which show an obvious locust or grasshopper and what resembles a tadpole or frog with missing front legs type creature in the photo of Bounce rock from sol 069 presented above by um3k, Ralphw, marsman, and others. I can see many things in the photo, however as we all have noticed to one another, it is difficult to make the jump to recognizing an object which is entirely unique and beyond our past experiences. These things I see could probably be reversed in head to tail orientation, or are pieces of a larger object and it will take years to piece the story together.

In the photo-
marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/m/069/1M134315180EFF08AYP2956.JPG
- the one which um3k above made reference to a partial shell, I was able to alter the brightness and contrast and add some color- resulting in a obvious grasshopper with eyes and front mandible mouthpiece extensions, a torso in detail, and a rear equiped with several small spikes extending upward from the tail as we would find in a Earth variety of grasshopper. The front legs- one very much a standard issue with two claws and the standard variation of size and shape, is conflicting some with the other leg which has a series of segments, like the second leg on a grasshopper will sometimes have. Perhaps the other front leg has been removed by damage or prey. The image is so detailed with the lightening process that it is unmistakable. I am sure there can be no confusion about the image I am trying to load to my site.
The second object in the photo looks like a set of rams horns with a spinal collumn extending downward and to the right slightly skewed in a curve, and ends in a head which is triangular, very much similar to the grasshopper object which it lays on top of.
These two objects are crossed and upon one another as two diagonals right in the center of the photo.
The grasshopper is from the left facing the right, and the frog-like shape lays over the grasshopper from the upper left facing the lower right. They cross near the center of each, and I tried to decipher whether the two were a prey/victim assembly, or some evidence of the fate of both in a damage that led to the entombment they both suffer now.
The two are the large dark assembly at the center of the photo.
It is necessary to lighten the photo to see the details, however the head and front legs of the grasshopper are visible in the unaltered photo.
If you as a group cannot refute the details I am providing, it may show the first evidence of vertebrate animal life as fossils in addition to the less evidencable and unnamed objects we have been seeing, and discussing as possible 'life' processes on Mars.
I also can see in the altered photos I have one or two additional nearly transparent objects that resemble lice or spider shapes adjacent to these two dark items.
I don't necessarily recommend any particular software, but I pullede from a CD a free trial copy of EasyPeg which does basic JPG adjustments. It may produce trouble for those of you using it online as I see in the corner a doubleclick box, and I do not know the background for the firm producing it.

danajohnson


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PostPosted: April 14, 2004 9:40 PM 

try the link above at um3k' entry to the same photo
or use this one.
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Ralphw


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PostPosted: April 14, 2004 10:41 PM 

danajohnson
please upload your marked version so I can see what you mean.. i see all sorts of odd stuff on this rock...by far the most interesting rock for the mission in my oppinion

mario59


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PostPosted: April 15, 2004 7:17 AM 

I've seen somethimg which resembles a brocken shell in the middle left of this image. If you look around you can see the "fabric" mentioned above. Very thin indeed!

mario59


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PostPosted: April 15, 2004 7:26 AM 

ooops! here is the correct link

mario59


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PostPosted: April 15, 2004 7:28 AM 

auff! pls. delete the previus!
Link

mario59


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PostPosted: April 15, 2004 8:28 AM 

ok
I'll write it down.
www.geocities.com/distefanomario/image.html

pls. copy and paste it into the URL bar.

danajohnson


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PostPosted: April 17, 2004 5:17 PM 

I think your object is one of the items I was refering to as a spider shape. It has not much tone variation to distinquish it from the objects it overlays and it seems now to be partly translucent or transparent.
Something I never thought I would see on Mars was 'tissue' substances which are tranparent, or nearly so. The first fungi shaped sphere I saw, which had a tranlucent stalk attached was on it's side, and all the grains of the soil below it were visible, only slightly obscured, primarily at the margins where the tissue was thickest. I'll try to get back to you with the photo link for that as it matches the recent photos presented on another topic being posted the past few days. I beleive that was sol 052 photos for the fungi. It in particular did not resmble the stone spheres precisely and was a little smaller. I could not mistake it as anything else. I am sure a few persons have posted entries about it and other similar items, but my time to read all these entries is limited as I am not online at my home, and have only a little time to enter these.
As these fungi and other probable 'plant' type objects are living now, therefore the spheres and the soil is almost certainly hosting an enourmous population of bacteria and viral type items. I had to look at the photos for many weeks to feel safe making such an outrageous assumption. It has to be driven with the available atmosphere and fluids, and in unbelievable cold.
On earth even animals and insects the size we are looking at can freeze and thaw in healthy functioning form, once adapted. They would have to feed from a biological source at least partly. Why we don't find clays and dolomite type stone is probably related to the seperate lines of developement and environment challenges. If the insects I can see in Bounce rock actually originated on Mars and did not get transported there as an intact population of separate origin, then perhaps the oxygenation process occured during the loss of water at the decay of the magnetic field. The water would have decayed in the radiative environment, and the oxygen would be reactive upon leaving the fluid basin, but available in large quantity for a time. As the things I see in this stone on Earth use substancial amounts of oxygen here, I have been looking for gills or larger air bladders for better conversion. Even a oxygen producing microbe couldn't keep up the resipration of an insect. There is always the remote possibility that a direct method of conversion from CO2 has developed there, but it should have left a carbon reservior if it was a long lived animal or insect linage. Even plants should have left surface evidence.
It looks to me as though, as NASA is trying to direct us, that the evidencing stones are from a pool of material that was introduced to Mars, producing, carefully, a rapid development and population expansion.
These stones are fossiliferous. They are from somewhere habitable. They are more fossiliferous than normal Earth stones. Statistically it indicates an enourmous population, of insects and microbiological life.

mann


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PostPosted: April 16, 2006 7:14 PM 

Bounce revisited.

If you brought a chunk of this rock home, and dropped into a bucket of water, what do think would happen?

I don't think its a sterile piece of Mars myself.

As soon as they put the Rat to this rock, and withdrew the bit, shapes began to form at the surface, from below, including fillaments.

heres that "face" in 3d


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